How to bust regs....

....although I guess technically the FAA AIM is a suggestion to stay 2000’ AGL over wilderness area.
Still, I think this is poor form.
 
Lol, who leaves a greater impression on a "wilderness" area, a helicopter that swoops in, lands, leaves two ten foot impressions in the sand that will fill in with the next rainstorm, or two horseback riders, traipsing for miles upon miles, causing erosion and leaving "fertilizer" behind????
 
PaulS said:
Lol, who leaves a greater impression on a "wilderness" area, a helicopter that swoops in, lands, leaves two ten foot impressions in the sand that will fill in with the next rainstorm, or two horseback riders, traipsing for miles upon miles, causing erosion and leaving "fertilizer" behind????
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I grew up out that way; spent a lot of time in wilderness areas. I absolutely prefer the horses; keep the helicopters out
 
PaulS said:
Lol, who leaves a greater impression on a "wilderness" area, a helicopter that swoops in, lands, leaves two ten foot impressions in the sand that will fill in with the next rainstorm, or two horseback riders, traipsing for miles upon miles, causing erosion and leaving "fertilizer" behind????
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Wilderness Area regulations don’t even allow bicycles or wheel barrows, let alone internal combustion noise makers.
I’ve shared Wilderness Areas with horseback riders for many years....they leave little evidence of their presence.
 
wrbix said:
Wilderness Area regulations don’t even allow bicycles or wheel barrows, let alone internal combustion noise makers.
I’ve shared Wilderness Areas with horseback riders for many years....they leave little evidence of their presence.
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Except the 3' wide horse trail.
 
Tom-D said:
Except the 3' wide horse trail.
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I suppose we should just avoid venturing into wilderness areas altogether. Hiking boots eventually wear down more than a 3 ft wide horse trail, disrespectful hikers and campers leave trash so we should prohibit all of them. Heck, we could go as far as tagging and tracking all the animals to ensure they don't mess up their area.
 
Will Kumley said:
I suppose we should just avoid venturing into wilderness areas altogether. Hiking boots eventually wear down more than a 3 ft wide horse trail, disrespectful hikers and campers leave trash so we should prohibit all of them. Heck, we could go as far as tagging and tracking all the animals to ensure they don't mess up their area.
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The only folks looking to ban people are the ones looking to ban this couple from fishing using a machine that except for a few minutes of noise has much less impact on the wilderness than even walking in. Just saying.
 
Horses don't make noise that everybody within miles can hear. People come to wilderness areas for peace and quiet, and for the satisfaction of getting to a place that takes some work to get to (at least for those who follow the rules).
 
Jeez....is there no subject that will not be met with contention here?
Regulations governing Wilderness Areas are what they are....no useful purpose in debating them here or anywhere (except maybe in the legislature....but don’t get me started on that subject of late).
 
PaulS said:
Lol, who leaves a greater impression on a "wilderness" area, a helicopter that swoops in, lands, leaves two ten foot impressions in the sand that will fill in with the next rainstorm, or two horseback riders, traipsing for miles upon miles, causing erosion and leaving "fertilizer" behind????
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Quite possibly the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
 
This is a subject which depends most on people’s preferences for use of public property. Therefore I predict it will have the most vociferous arguments and personal attacks, perhaps moderated slightly by the fact that it doesn’t affect most pilots directly.

My personal opinion, as a backpacker and wilderness lover, is that the helicopters and horses should stay out - that would be my personal druthers.

IBTL
 
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PeterNSteinmetz said:
This is a subject which depends most on people’s preferences for use of public property. Therefore I predict it will have the most vociferous arguments and personal attacks, perhaps moderated slightly by the fact that it doesn’t affect most pilots directly.

My personal opinion, as a backpacker and wilderness lover, is that the helicopters and horses should stay out - that would be my personal druthers.

IBTL
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Bah, this shouldn't get locked, at least not because of what's been posted so far.

You know the thing about this couple in the helicopter is that this probably wasn't their first time landing in remote places like this. They probably have landed at the same spot at least once before, probably many times in different spots and nobody has noticed. These guys who saw this helicopter, apparently didn't see it land, but only happened upon and decided to show their inner Karen and teach these rich people a lesson. Had they just given a friendly wave and continued on their horse ride, they probably wouldn't have heard or seen the helicopter when it left.

I'm with you and the wilderness thing, both horses and helicopters stay out, probably back packers too. But at some point we need a little common sense.
 
Not excusing the "drop in wherever you want" aspect of this couple but there are quite a few airports inside the Bob Marshall wilderness and that was part of the deal with actually getting the land set aside that airports that were there prior to the designation get to stay. It hasn't quite worked out that way and apparently eco-terrorist love to sabotage some of the strips but still some flying I hope to do someday.

Great book on the topic of Idaho backcountry airports history and how they are today is Bound For the backcountry by Richard Holm.

https://www.amazon.com/Bound-Backco...the+Backcountry&qid=1591010900&s=books&sr=1-1
 
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