How much does Cirrus pay the AOPA?

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I attended an AOPA safety seminar recently.

They had a Mythburster (paraphrased): Deploying the parachute totals the aircraft.

They contend that is a myth, citing that 14 of 69 aircraft were returned to service.

Sorry 6PC, but a 20% return to service rate does not a myth make.

Also in attendance was the couple who infamously had a deployment and are supposedly one of the magic 14. The story told is that the pilot reached up to pull the handle and the passenger had already done it.

So... two questions:
1) Why is AOPA including this in the first place? my guess is $$

2) If the pilot is not incapacitated, why is the passenger touching ANYTHING without direction to do so? And in an Emergency no less.
 
rolivi said:
I attended an AOPA safety seminar recently.

They had a Mythburster (paraphrased): Deploying the parachute totals the aircraft.

They contend that is a myth, citing that 14 of 69 aircraft were returned to service.

Sorry 6PC, but a 20% return to service rate does not a myth make.
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Important to note that 'returned to service' and totaled are two independent things. Totaled is an insurance thing and an airplane can be both totaled AND returned to service. I suspect that many (if not all) of those that were returned to service were indeed totaled by the insurance company and then bought as salvage and then returned to service.

It is also worth noting that a couple of those 14 that were returned to service were subsequently wrecked a second time.

But, even if my suspicion about totaling vs returned to service is incorrect, I agree that it is a silly 'myth' for AOPA or anyone to spend any effort on trying to 'bust'.

Whether or not the airplane is going to be usable again is the LAST thing you should be contemplating if you need to make the decision on whether or not to pull the chute.
 
rolivi said:
2) If the pilot is not incapacitated, why is the passenger touching ANYTHING without direction to do so? And in an Emergency no less.
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Have you been in next to an individual that is scared for their life? They don't exactly think clearly or follow the safety briefing.

A few months ago the wife and I had a close call in the car. I was driving. I entered an intersection on a green traffic light. We both saw another car coming over a rise from the left at about 35 mph and not able to stop. Just as I was trying to decided whether to accelerate or brake, the wife turns towards me and emits a blood curdling scream directly in my ear. Everything ended well despite the distraction.
 
Probably the same amount they paid Tim McGraw.
 
Point of interest: So the chute saved their lives because on final approach it snagged the powerline they just hit like a tailhook. Lucky! :yikes:

If they just did a CAPS deployment at that level on final it wouldn't have had enough time to inflate. right?

My guess is the slider would've kept the chute closed until the speed dropped enough. Watching the Cirrus video at flight speeds it takes about 6 seconds for a fully inflated canopy.
 
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My wife has a habit of leaning over and grabbing me if we have a scare in the car while she's driving. I've told her on numerous occasions that I would much prefer if she keeps her hands on the wheel and actively attempt to avoid the danger.
 
rolivi said:
I attended an AOPA safety seminar recently.

They had a Mythburster (paraphrased): Deploying the parachute totals the aircraft.

They contend that is a myth, citing that 14 of 69 aircraft were returned to service.

Sorry 6PC, but a 20% return to service rate does not a myth make.

Also in attendance was the couple who infamously had a deployment and are supposedly one of the magic 14. The story told is that the pilot reached up to pull the handle and the passenger had already done it.

So... two questions:
1) Why is AOPA including this in the first place? my guess is $$

2) If the pilot is not incapacitated, why is the passenger touching ANYTHING without direction to do so? And in an Emergency no less.
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I have no idea why this is even post worthy.
 
Shopshirt said:
Point of interest: So the chute saved their lives because on final approach it snagged the powerline they just hit like a tailhook. Lucky! :yikes:

If they just did a CAPS deployment at that level on final it wouldn't have had enough time to inflate. right?

My guess is the slider would've kept the chute closed until the speed dropped enough. Watching the Cirrus video at flight speeds it takes about 6 seconds for a fully inflated canopy.
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According to the NTSB, the chute got snagged in the second set of powerlines they hit. Powerlines that are apparently at about 100' AGL and one mile from the runway. They were very lucky.

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20151020X94325&ntsbno=CEN16LA016&akey=1
 
I want to know what caused it to burn...
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I don't think this is going to be one that is returned to service:
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I would never tell a passenger there was a chute on the plane. That stops the every bit of turbulence you hit pull the chute problem.


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I'm pretty sure AOPA and Cirrus are the same thing now. You can't watch a single webisode of AOPA on Roku each week without watching several Cirrus commercials.
 
It's probably the fact that Cirrusis the number 1 selling manufacture right now and bringing more pilots into the fold. Thus, AOPA is trying to capture the new pilots, because they have already milked the currents pilots!!!
 
Datadriver said:
I'm pretty sure AOPA and Cirrus are the same thing now. You can't watch a single webisode of AOPA on Roku each week without watching several Cirrus commercials.
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Isn't that just a factor of selling advertising?
 
Challenged said:
My wife has a habit of leaning over and grabbing me if we have a scare in the car while she's driving. I've told her on numerous occasions that I would much prefer if she keeps her hands on the wheel and actively attempt to avoid the danger.
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Mine leans forward at intersections blocking my view so *she* can look. Drives me batty.

We've been married long enough that I can just reach over and shove her back. Ha.

I don't think she'd pull the handle for me in a Cirrus though. Hah. Wow.
 
PS I think 6PC needs to do a follow up video on how to fight passengers off of the pull handle for "advanced Cirrus re-use scenarios". LOL
 
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