How is it possible...

Jay Honeck said:
Besides -- who would WANT to do "4 meetings in 3 cities". If you're that important, and that high up in a company, I would hope you have *some* control over your own schedule...
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Well.... the folks I know who are that high up in their companies are also workaholics, and it is by pulling trips like this off that they manage to get the job done and still have any time to spend with their families.

Chris
 
sba55 said:
I really don't want to pull this thread off-topic, but really? :rofl: I can only think of one thing that an Outback does that a Lambo also does, which is drive :)

But your point is well taken anyways.

-Felix
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Owners of a Corvalis can - on average - achieve actual utilization of the machine's true capabilities thus (somewhat) justifying the price.

Owners of Lamborghinis suffer from the disadvantage that for most there is no real use for their machine's true capability; and the sad truth that they could - on average - achieve the same result in the real world with a Subaru plus a dose or two of the aforementioned Cialis.
 
alaskaflyer said:
Owners of a Corvalis can - on average - achieve actual utilization of the machine's true capabilities thus (somewhat) justifying the price.
Owners of Lamborghinis suffer from the disadvantage that for most there is no real use for their machine's true capability]
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Yes. I was thinking that if you were able to actually use the capability of a vehicle (like my car's ability to cruise at 120mph for long periods), then BMWs, Benzs, Ferraris, etc, would start to make sense and planes would be harder to justify.

If I could drive from here to Houston at Santa Fe at 120mph, then my Cherokee would be a lot less useful.
 
Yes, it is JUST advertising, the epitome of the capitalist system that built this country (what is happening to this country today is for another diatribe)...

The problem with that ad is that it attracts exactly the wrong person... This is the early 40's, finally successful, professional/entrepreneur/lawyer, doctor/indian-chief... These are ego driven, time driven, 'do not tell me, NO', types of people, who absolutely KNOW that any problem can be solved with enough money... They will often have the minimal number of hours to have an instrument rating and they have a fixed time schedule in their head...

They might even be motel barons! <koff> but I digress... Because they know that anything can be fixed with money, and because they are successful at making money, they have no fear of denting their new toy... This is not good because the fear of a costly mishap is often the last defense in our ignoring of risk - after we have convinced ourselves we are the cat's meow as pilots...

I have been flying since I was a boy... My airplanes have always been just this side of junk because that was all I could afford and god forbid I should bang one up because there was no money for repairs... I flew with fear - not the fear of crashing but the fear of losing my airplane, something I could not afford to replace (and something in which I was emotionally invested) That fear (caution actually, fear is a bit strong of a term) allowed me to move on through the years, make minor mistakes and learn from them, and finally become an old, but not bold, pilot...

Even though I might be able to swing the payments on a new Cirrus, etc. and even though I "probably" can fly one of these high tech machines safely (more or less) I am not tempted... Old habits die hard so I still fly junk :)

denny-o
 
In defense of businessfolk I've got to say this. A large majority of the ones I fly don't have much interest in the airplane except as a method of efficient transportation. If they ask any questions about flying at all it's almost always about which airplane would best suit their mission, and I'm talking about bigger airplanes here. When I occasionally get the person who expresses some interest in actually flying an airplane I usually ask if they have considered taking flying lessons. Their answer is almost always that they don't have enough time due to the effort they need to put into their businesses. I remember one guy in particular who was fascinated with the Cirrus display at some FBO we stopped at. I asked if he had ever thought about learning and his answer was that he knew he was a type A personality and didn't want to get involved in something to which he couldn't devote a lot of attention because of other demands on his time. I've also got to say that the number of people who say they, "can't wait" when I tell them we can't go are a very small fraction of the people I've flown, in fact I can't even think of an example offhand.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Edit: I guess if you call FSS, it takes hours.
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I wouldn't say that, I find them 90% very useful and fast, maybe not AS fast as the internet, but still a great resource... that is unless you get the guy that likes hearing himself talk :yesnod:
 
They might even be motel barons! <koff> but I digress...
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Oooo...I like the sounds of that.... :D

Sadly, we're more like the owners of two homes for wayward pilots, but now *I* digress... :)

I'm about as far from the model of the driven, gotta-be-there guy as you can get. I fly VFR by choice, and am about as weather-wimpy as they come. I don't fly when I *have* to be somewhere, because I know that a piston-powered SEL aircraft isn't worth a bucket of warm spit in thunderstorms or icing. This attitude has kept me alive and in the air for 16 years, and counting...

I fly cuz I love to fly -- period. If I had to do it, I'm not sure it would be nearly as enjoyable.
 
Dr. O said:
The problem with that ad is that it attracts exactly the wrong person... This is the early 40's, finally successful, professional/entrepreneur/lawyer, doctor/indian-chief... These are ego driven, time driven, 'do not tell me, NO', types of people, who absolutely KNOW that any problem can be solved with enough money... They will often have the minimal number of hours to have an instrument rating and they have a fixed time schedule in their head...
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They've probably spent a lot of money on advertising and have a pretty good idea of the kind of people that buy new owner operated airplanes and this kind of assertion above about "they often have the minimal number of hours" is based upon what? The fact that low time pilots in expensive aircraft sometimes mess up? Why is it that when the smoking hole is filled with expensive airplane parts, it's a rich type A idiot and when the hole is filled with old Cherokee parts it's "sad, he was the best pilot I knew?" I personally know a few of these type-A, well monied types that are flying aircraft from Columbia/Cessna Corvalis to TBM850s to Phenom 100s and all of the people I know like that take their flying very seriously. Money doesn't buy smart but it sure doesn't lend itself to stupid either despite the forum rhetoric to the contrary.

Our industry won't survive living off recycling old airplanes. New aircraft sales are gonna have to happen. For all the reasons right and stupid, a really capable new airplane costs more than what all but a few can afford. I think the person they're targeting with the ad is just fine though as I said earlier in this thread, I've never been too keen on the "can't wait" message. I really liked the Cessna marketing messages they put out after those Detroit knuckleheads flew private jets to WashDC to beg for money. It was all about how valuable a business tool they are and leaders that won't succumb to stereotyping are going to be taking advantage of that tool.
 
Class warfare abounds these days. Its almost chic. :rolleyes:

Many if not most that earn high salaries and can afford these planes aren't stupid, nor undisciplined. They wouldn't get to where they are if they displayed those attributes. Are there a few knuckleheads that push their limits and/or experience? Sure, they are usually weeded out. I know many that fly high performance stuff and are very disciplined, experienced pilots and good business people or professionals. They are not mutually exclusive.
 
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