Had a beech travel air with light hail damage,from 50 ft it looked good. Took the damage in consideration,when purchasing the plane. Flew it for 800 hrs and traded it for a single. If you buy the airplane right you shouldn’t loose much when selling.
How big of a deal is hail damage?
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Why would anyone consider buying the beat to crap AA1 when this is for sale?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Ameri...ash=item284a3571f1:g:V2kAAOSwFyhaOz8q&vxp=mtr
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There are always dent limits on aircraft skins. Would be nice to know if they have been exceeded. Hail damage has totalled more than one airplane. Wonder if this guy got the insurance check and decided to sell rather than fix or if it was totalled and he bought it back.
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Read paragraph 10-50 of the manual, the second part of that statement pretty much says the entire skins be replaced when extensive damage has been done.
The statements Glen has made shows he doesn't have a clue as to how to repair anything in General aviation. His belief in the ability to sand .020" alclad when the manufacture says to use alclad in any replacement demonstrates his ignorance and his inability to follow the most simple instruction given in these manuals.
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You did,
Assuming it is bonded aluminum honeycomb composite, if it's disbonded or if the dents are beyond manufacturers limits, it is serious. If it is not, and it's just aesthetics, sanding, aerodynamic filler and a paint job should do.
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I would give him $3500 for it.... Scrap price!
His asking price is more than a nice non hail damage example.
His asking price is more than a nice non hail damage example.
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To scrap it, there are several things that are quite valuable the engine, prop, instruments, canopies, and the hard parts that holds it all together.
Problem is, finding someone who needs them.
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Not really - its' only 220 hour since OH, so the engine carries a bit of value. Without any damage, it's probably in the 25k range. I think the seller is knocking off 10k for the damage, but from the sounds of it, that isn't anywhere close to enough to repair it.
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Totally agree with that.
There just isn't any profit margin in trying to flip it.
My biggest concern in repairing this aircraft is the damage to the turtle back and flight controls, all would require re-skinning. Which means with the ailerons/elevators building a new one.
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Offer him $20,000. If he tells you to take a hike, find another. If he says yes, you just bought some cheap flying for the win! If the dimples really bother you, paint the plane flat military style. It will hide the dimples so that you really won't notice them. Since you wouldn't be going for shiny show paint, the prep would be easy. If somebody says something, tell them it's shotgun damage from it's time in 'Nam.
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Looks like the price is down to $17,900. Starting to sound like a good deal to me.
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Tom, while doing the extensive research, did you happen to notice the annual/100 hr., wheel bearing inspection requirements in the Grumman Service Manual?
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I watched a man take a car with hail damage. He parked it in the sun on a very hot day of around 100 degree's. He then took some dry ice and went over every spot with this dry ice and they all popped out.
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Probably not a aluminum car. Steel acts differently than aluminum. If that airplane came to me for a annual I would check the dents against the limits provided by the manual. If limits exceeded I wouldn't sign it off as airworthy.
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Pretty much the same.
but I'd probably just tell the owner I'd rather not do his annual.
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I wonder, in a case like that, would you do the whole annual and then give the owner the bad news (in the list of discrepancies) or, since the hail damage is so obvious, would you just evaluate it first, give the owner the bad news, and the option to continue the annual or not. And, when something like that happens, how do you get paid?
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The two of you need to take your arguments to a private conversation. I'm sure the two that I'm talking about know who they are... as does everyone else.
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Pre-paid annual. There's too many owners that don't like the results and have no problem cheating a shop.
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I believe there are owners that don't realize that If I do the annual, and find any one of a multitude of dimples over the limits, I must sign off the annual as un-airworthy, then the owner has no choice but to repair the aircraft or scrap it.
So, I'd rather not be the bad guy. and simply tell them I'd rather not do the annual.
If they would rather have me show them why, I'd do that for free.
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Apparently at least one of the two didn't understand the informal warning.
Thread closed pending MC review.
Edit: The thread is back open minus the personality issues, since some of the information was of value. Next time the two of you (and you know who you are) want to get into a ****ing match, remember that you are ****ing in someone's thread. Watching you argue had no value, except for people who enjoy watching train wrecks.
Note that this goes for other pairs of people here who are like oil and water. Take it to a private conversation, and don't screw up other people's threads.
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Very interesting and something I did not know.