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Hi everyone

I'm going to get a system pretty soon. Any advice? What special features would I want (I know it will call the cops, and will whoop whoop.. what else?)
 
Smoke and CO detectors that will send the fire department your way. I took a lot more comfort in that than the break-in response.
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Hi everyone

I'm going to get a system pretty soon. Any advice? What special features would I want (I know it will call the cops, and will whoop whoop.. what else?)


A decent sized dog will go "Whoop, whoop" and be a new best friend.

Back it up with a 12g short barrel pump action shotgun, and you'll have all the security you need.
 
My security system weighs 110 lbs, has black and brown hair, and scares my neighbors:

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Plus the 12-gauge. Dan's absolutely right, that's the best security system money can buy. The cops will never show up in time to help you if someone breaks into your house with intentions to harm you. A large dog will not only be a loyal friend for life (adopting my rottweiler is the best decision I ever made along with learning to fly), it doubles as a doorbell (you'll always know when someone's coming to visit), and a loud deep bark will scare away far more criminals than a sign that says "This house protected by ADT."

If you want one anyway as a deterrant (which is their real value), the big loud siren, calling the cops, and also doing the fire department are all things I'd look for. Remember, though, that a number of these systems work through your phone line. Cutting the phone line to your house will disable that feature. So, perhaps ask around to see what means of communication they use.

For what it's worth, about 30 years ago my grandparents' house got broken into while they were on vacation. A number of things were stolen, and they didn't know until they came back. After that they got a security system (they used Vector, which I'm sure has been bought out by ADT/Brinks/whoever) and it never happened again. However, it also didn't happen before that, either, so that single datapoint is not sufficient for a scientific study. My aunt and uncle also had their house broken into once about 30 years ago. They started locking the doors after that - hasn't happened since.
 
Thanks everyone

I have FIOS, I wonder if that negates the whole thing...

ps. my cats might have conniptions about a dog... a good idea though.
 
My dog has no problems with cats. Oddly enough, the cats usually try to attack my dog. :)
 
Hi everyone

I'm going to get a system pretty soon. Any advice? What special features would I want (I know it will call the cops, and will whoop whoop.. what else?)

E-mail my SIL, he is the owner of Advance Alarms Concepts

alarms@wavecable.com

He is the expert in this field.
 
Thanks everyone

I have FIOS, I wonder if that negates the whole thing...

ps. my cats might have conniptions about a dog... a good idea though.

If your wondering abut the FIOS effecting your phone line to the monitoring system it should not, other then that I can't see what FIOS has to do with a alarm.
 
If your wondering abut the FIOS effecting your phone line to the monitoring system it should not, other then that I can't see what FIOS has to do with a alarm.

My phone is FIOS, I mean...

A dog would rock their world! I agree though, it would be great buddy and alarm system.
 
A dog is a great friend and companion, but a great responsibility, too. I think you need to install an alarm system to protect the dog if you get one! :) Actually, with the amount you travel, I think your dog sitter may be your dog's best friend, not you! And the 12-gauge is only effective while you're there to use it. Otherwise, it's just something else that the burglar will take, and it'll soon be used in a crime somewhere.
 
A dog is a great friend and companion, but a great responsibility, too. I think you need to install an alarm system to protect the dog if you get one! :) Actually, with the amount you travel, I think your dog sitter may be your dog's best friend, not you! And the 12-gauge is only effective while you're there to use it. Otherwise, it's just something else that the burglar will take, and it'll soon be used in a crime somewhere.
Exactly. Neither a dog nor a gun would work for me because I would be more concerned about a break-in when I am not there and I don't want the responsibility of a dog. I just figure I don't have much of what anyone would want and take my chances.
 
I'm actually more worried about my cats, while I am on vacation, than anything while I am at home.
 
Liz,

Take a look at InGrid.

www.ingridhome.com

It is a "do-it-yourself" wireless solution that looks pretty good and has gotten some good reviews. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on it.

Should work fine with FIOS through a router.

Also, Crutchfield sells it or you can order it directly from Ingrid. They have two monitoring services available. (You must subscribe to one of them - the hardware will not work without it) The basic ($20 a month) sends you e-mail alerts and allows you to control the system remotely. The advanced ($30 a month) contacts police, fire, ambulance.
 
Hi everyone

I'm going to get a system pretty soon. Any advice? What special features would I want (I know it will call the cops, and will whoop whoop.. what else?)

Well, last night I got two calls from the alarm company for the church - one at about 1:30AM and the second about 6:45AM. A motion sensor detected movement in the main office for no apparent reason. These weren't the first calls and Im sure they won't be the last. :nonod:

I used to live behind someone that had a talking alarm "You have violated a protected area, leave immediately, the police have been called". And when their dinner was ready: "Fire! Leave immediately, Fire! Leave immediately". I can't tell you how many times I heard each of the above.

I'm not a big fan of alarm systems.

But, you do want one where the company calls you first before calling the police – the "false alarm" rate is real high (even without motion sensors) and many cities will charge you for any more than x calls per year…
 
We have a Honeywell cellular system which was previously run through ADT. They've had some problems recently and we switched to an outfit called Pinnacle security just the other day. Makes the wife feel better when I'm out of town and that's pretty worthwhile to me. About $50/mo (cheaper than my dogs).
 
If you are technically inclined, it can be fun to build your own system, and usually the monitoring can be had for less the $10/mo. (I personally hate the contracts the companies like ADT lock you into -- plus I want full control of my own system.)

This place was good for us: http://www.homesecuritystore.com

Started with http://www.homesecuritystore.com/p-547-kit16-qp63-dsc-power-1616-security-system-kit.aspx and went from there. Of course, make sure you really enjoy this kind of stuff...it can be fairly frustrating to configure, plus you'll have to work out the permits (in Houston, both a fire and police permit), etc. on your own. Check out their forums (http://www.diysecurityforum.com) for some ideas.

The keychain fob is worth it's weight in gold. :)
 
One large dog and one loaded 9mm with an extra clip and I'm pretty comfy. When we're not home, who cares, everything can be replaced as long as they don't hurt the dogs or cats.

Stevel is on to it, the smoke and CO detection that will send the fire department would be nice when we're away, it would give the 2 dogs and 4 cats a chance and maybe save some of our stuff.

Thanks for posting all the good info and links!

Maggie the "watch dog" and her back up Rudder.
 

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I'll email you when I get back. There are a couple of companies in the DC area that excel in service.

My personal experiences with ADT have not been good. Two folks I used to work with were nearly ripped off by them - and another had them "not show up" for an appointment.

The local companies are a bit more expensive on the initial set-up, but they do a better job of evaluating threats. One of the ones in DC has a very good business solely on word-of-mouth (no advertising).... they've done embassys.
 
One large dog and one loaded 9mm with an extra clip and I'm pretty comfy. When we're not home, who cares, everything can be replaced as long as they don't hurt the dogs or cats.
Unfortunately,
1) They sometimes do hurt the pets, just for spite;
2) For some things it's not just a matter of replacing them, but the trouble caused if they're out of your possession. Think guns (would you want your gun used in a homicide?) and your identity (it's really hard to recover from identity theft).

I'm not saying that a security system is the answer; just that there are problems with a home invasion beyond just the theft of material goods.
 
We have ADT at the gunshop (www.wilsoncombat.com) and I am not impressed. But we had Guardtronics before and they were even worse. Seems like we always get sensor malfunctions in storms even if there isn't any lightning in the area. And it always happens at 3am when Bill is out of town. So I would have to go to the shop, wait for the police and then help them clear the building just in case. Finally we got a couple other people on the call list and have told ADT repeatedly to take our home number off the call list (since we travel a bunch and are usually not home). So I get another call this past weekend... When I asked the lady at ADT's command center why she had called the home number, she said that she had tried the shop and no one answered - DUH, it was closed!!! And the weather was perfect. It just seems like they are here replacing sensors at least every month or so. But we have to have something and there aren't necessarily a whole lot of choices in a small town.
 
Thanks everyone, good advice. I'll let you know what I end up doing...

Cute pups!

My pets are number one - the rest of it is just stuff.
 
It's been proven time and time again that home security systems are worthless (and worse, they put an undue burden on law enforcement).

The average burglary takes 5 to 10 minutes.

The average police response is 45 minutes to an hour.

Those who buy home security systems have the same chance of winning as those who buy lottery tickets.
 
It's been proven time and time again that home security systems are worthless (and worse, they put an undue burden on law enforcement).

The average burglary takes 5 to 10 minutes.

The average police response is 45 minutes to an hour.

Those who buy home security systems have the same chance of winning as those who buy lottery tickets.


Correct - to a point. Folks who spend significant amounts of time away from home, though, benefit from fairly quick notification to secure the house.

The guy who runs this group is a friend of mine: http://www.safe-us.com/safenvironments/index.html
 
It's been proven time and time again that home security systems are worthless (and worse, they put an undue burden on law enforcement).

The average burglary takes 5 to 10 minutes.

True.

One thing we did, hopefully to help deter a little more, is set all the triggers to 0 delay. So open the door, instant alarm...and we have the key fobs, so don't need to get to the panel disarm. (Plus a hidden switch backup.)

I was considering replacing the instant alarm, with realistic recorded voice warnings, then shotgun noises...then the alarm. :)

Note: Sheetrock dust can trigger some of the fire alarms. Not that I would know...
 
I used to sell the things for a living, Liz. Two things come to mind:

1) You have cats... regardless of how "pet proof" any salesman tries to tell you their motion detector is, I'd leave it out of the house. They usually "mask" or adjust the beam so it stays above the floor, but as you and I both know, cats climb and jump... save yourself the hassle and expense ("the boy who cried wolf") of false alarms. Instead, invest in door and window sensors on all ground floor windows or easily (without a ladder) accessible 2nd story windows, at a minimum. Window break sensors are also good investments. As others said, monitored smoke/CO detectors are great, and will garner you a larger discount on your homeowners.

2) The best systems now incorporate a means for the monitoring station to actually listen in to your home and even talk to you (speaker and highly sensitive microphone); these cannot be activated remotely from the monitoring station, so no privacy concerns--it's only if a sensor is tripped when the system is armed and the de-activate code isn't entered on the keypad in time, OR if you activate the panic button. An operator listening to what is happening, and reporting what s/he hears to the 911 dispatcher, will get you the immediate and accurate response you need. Such systems used to only be available from ProtectionOne, but now most any provider can get them for you.

If you can afford to buy the system outright, you can shop around the monitoring and save a lot of money--paying as little as $7.95/month instead of $39.95 and up--and not worry about it being ripped out of your home if you cancel or don't renew a monitoring contract.

The Brinks/ADT/etc. guys are good, but their package deals usually include 3 door sensors and one motion detector and one keypad for $395 (or whatever the current "special" is), along with maybe a free monitored smoke detector ("if you sign tonight").

Don't get strong-armed by the close-tonight tactics. Get your quotes, from Brinks and ADT and at least two local independent alarm system vendors, compare and contrast, and pick...

All this said, the strongest point in your security system is the yard signs and window stickers at primary points of entry, as most house burglars would rather pick a non-alarmed home. It won't stop everyone, and with generic (ADT/Brinks) stickers might tell them exactly what they need to disarm/disable your system.

Higher end systems will have a backup cellular or Internet method of contacting the monitoring station, so the old "cutting the phone line" method won't prevent alerting.

Feel free to PM me with any questions you have when you get into the actual buying/decision making process...
 
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Thanks everyone

I have FIOS, I wonder if that negates the whole thing...

ps. my cats might have conniptions about a dog... a good idea though.

The alarm company will run a leased phone line to your house (that's part of the monthly fee). FIOS will not negate that, though verizon may carry that line over one of the four channels the FIOS box on the house supports.

The leased line is monitored and the alarm box is polled, so cutting the line results in the monitoring company trying to reach you as well as having the telco check the line for trouble.
 
The local companies are a bit more expensive on the initial set-up, but they do a better job of evaluating threats.

This is true; the national chains are corporations interested in selling you the standard package and locking you into a multi-year contract (think "ongoing revenue stream"). The local companies are usually family owned, know the local market and methods, and will adjust any installation to fit your specific needs.
 
The alarm company will run a leased phone line to your house (that's part of the monthly fee). FIOS will not negate that, though verizon may carry that line over one of the four channels the FIOS box on the house supports.

The leased line is monitored and the alarm box is polled, so cutting the line results in the monitoring company trying to reach you as well as having the telco check the line for trouble.

Or you can get a system with IP-based monitoring and cellular backup. Most modern alarm panels will support.
 
It's been proven time and time again that home security systems are worthless (and worse, they put an undue burden on law enforcement).

The average burglary takes 5 to 10 minutes.

The average police response is 45 minutes to an hour.

Those who buy home security systems have the same chance of winning as those who buy lottery tickets.

FWIW department: The police nearly always get to the church before I do - five minutes or less. Obviously, the response time varies with the community.
 
FWIW department: The police nearly always get to the church before I do - five minutes or less. Obviously, the response time varies with the community.

If police got to my house in under 15 minutes, I'd be surprised given my location. I have historically found police response time to be 45 minutes at best in urban areas.
 
Be careful in your shopping - some vendors (Brinks and ADT both do this, I believe) will "sell" you proprietary alarm equipment which can be used only if monitored BY THEM, and which cannot be monitored by any other alarm company. In fact, one of them (I forget which) even sets it up where all you are buying are the sensors and wiring, but the controller remains their property such that, when you cancel monitoring with them, they can come take away the controller.

Shop several local alarm contractors, and they can tell you about getting a system installed which can be monitored by a number of different methods (phone line, cellular, etc.). You'll likely find that there are several companies with monitoring stations in your area, and you may find that the locals will know your area and the local authorities better, as well, potentially improving your chances of timely and effective response by police/fire if needed.

And, of course, if you get a system installed, which can be monitored by any monitoring station provider, and you decide that you want Brinks or ADT or whomever to monitor it, they will still be able to do so- without you having to buy their crippled controller.

Summation:

1. Secure estimates from several vendors, comparing their recommendations to what you want protected (ie, what sensors, etc.)
2. Verify that the equipment to be installed will NOT be "tied" to the quoting contractor's monitoring
3. Verify that you will own the entire system;
4. Verify that the system will function even without monitoring at all;
5. Check reputation of the contractor and monitoring agency with local authorities (if you live in a small enough jurisdiction for them to actually give a crap).

In Dallas, the police don't even roll to alarm calls until a monitoring company has had a private security guard check it out first (!), so unless you have a security guard nearby, monitoring is a waste of time anyway. We have a security company providing neighborhood patrols, now (very good outfit), and they monitor for us now, but used to be I just had our alarm to make a lot of noise (and boy, does it ever!). The "loud noise upon entry" is, to my way of thinking, the principal value of alarm systems, not the response (if any) later.

$0.02.
 
The "loud noise upon entry" is, to my way of thinking, the principal value of alarm systems, not the response (if any) later.

Agreed. I also maintain that few things say "Go away" as strongly as a deep, loud "BARK!" from a large dog and the "ka-CHUNK" from a shotgun.
 
What about installing a moat, and stocking with sharks, with friggin laser beams on their heads?
 
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Let me know if you are interested and I'll send you a coupon code for a Free Subscription.

Allan
 
Call me. I was a security system contractor for 15 years.

You can get interior sensors that will go above the cats, although it was always a challenge if the cats are allowed to jump on the kitchen counter and such.

I would avoid all of the national chains. No ADT or Brinks(!). I was in business doing home long either of those were. Go to yelp.com or epinions and look for customer recommendations on local independents that have been around at least 10 years, if any, (they all got bought up.)
 
Agreed. I also maintain that few things say "Go away" as strongly as a deep, loud "BARK!" from a large dog and the "ka-CHUNK" from a shotgun.
Sure. To me, the alarm helps make more noise, to alert you and the dog. Dogs aren't always perfect (damn near) and any more alert you can get the better. As, you have to wake up and everything, if you're going to grab a shotgun to "Ka CHUNK".
 
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