Historic Debate on energy and climate change

Oh man is that awesome. The faces that Chevy makes behind Dan Aykroyd's back are priceless. :lol:
 
Thats when SNL was really funny
Right on! And, yes, the debate has been going on for as long as I can remember. Certainly from the late 40's. As a kid I remember that we were all going to starve. rocket tests caused tornados and storms, asteroids will hit the earth, we'll soon run out of oil, we'll all die from DDT. etc. etc. I'm still waiting for any of it to come true.

Back to SNL!
 
When I was a kid we were told we were heading into an ice age. That was the official mantra. Today we are told that we are in "global warming" and that it will lead to an ice age in the northern hemisphere but a melting of the ice caps? not sure how that can be?

I actually researched and studied the recorded data of temperatures dating as far back as possible. One of the issues is accuracy and precision of the instruments. At one time we had "boiling water and ice" to set the "zeros" and no real way to verify the accuracy in between. There were actually many different measuring systems as late as 1800's.

Even though weather station hobbyists have existed for many years, the sheer quantity of recording available since the late 50's and especially the 70's is enormous. The accuracy and precision both have improved as well. One could generally accept that over 100 years ago there may be 3-4 degrees variation in instruments. Today...three decimal places is cheap and available and we can digitally switch between F, C and K. We have data from virtually every school and airport and even from remote mountain tops delivered minute by minute. THis means that the average of averages is more and more accurate and may in fact be hotter or colder than say the averages of any ten year numbers globally 200 years ago. We have no way of knowing.

Again, places like NYC and ATL create their own weather systems. There is even evidence that for instance upstate NY is now colder than it was overall and that NYC is hotter. The difference actually seems to balance the total heat involved (within a very small margin of error) per square unit of area in the region.

Regardless of this and the arguments about it, we specifically do know that a single burp of a major volcano can and has put more "greenhouse" gasses into the air than man has since the industrial revolution began. This has happened many times geologically. The earth healed itself over and over again. We know that the most prevalent green house gas is water as clouds..and no algorithm has taken clouds into account in any program written. We also know that variations in the heat from the sun and and solar flares make more difference than the changes to ozone. We are now finding out that the change in the earths magnetic poles and the switching of the poles makes extreme changes in ozone. It is just too complex.

Bottom line.. we are on a planet that is designed to repair itself and constantly evolve at the same time. I believe that overall we are not damaging the earth from green house effect, instead that it self repairs. We of coarse are poisoning it in other ways..but..that also is usually with organics and probably there is an internal repair system for organics as well.

It is my belief that the earth is designed to be the perfect space craft for us and that yes..we "could" destroy it, but it is designed to resist our destructive tendency and maintain itself overall.
 
As Al Gore proclaimed, "The debate on Man Made Global Warming is over!"

He was right, the debate is over, we now know it is a load of B.S.!
 
Regardless of this and the arguments about it, we specifically do know that a single burp of a major volcano can and has put more "greenhouse" gasses into the air than man has since the industrial revolution began.

Yeah, and that's been enough to cause massive climate change and the collapse of civilizations. Also in the historical record. Enjoy your rant.
 
Yeah, and that's been enough to cause massive climate change and the collapse of civilizations. Also in the historical record. Enjoy your rant.

What's your point?

I believe the climate is changing constantly. In my opinion, it hasn't been proven that man has made a SIGNIFICANT difference in that change.

I am not saying that man hasn't contributed to it, just that man made contribution don't move it that much.
 
Uh guys ...... I was just trying to introduce some levity thats all not really start a SZ debate! Really just a funny video thats kind of ironic.
 
As Al Gore proclaimed, "The debate on Man Made Global Warming is over!"

He was right, the debate is over, we now know it is a load of B.S.!

I love it when an issue is pronounced from on high to be "over", or--my personal favorite--"settled". That's a pretty good sign that they're shooting blanks and hoping some credulous mouth-breather out there will buy it. :rofl:
 
When I was a kid we were told we were heading into an ice age...
When you were a kid you were told "it seems to be getting colder, we're not sure why", all of which was true.
... and that it will lead to an ice age in the northern hemisphere but a melting of the ice caps? not sure how that can be?
Who told you that? That's certainly not the "mantra". In fact, in recent decades, the North Pole has been warming while the South Pole has been cooling.
... THis means that the average of averages is more and more accurate and may in fact be hotter or colder than say the averages of any ten year numbers globally 200 years ago.
The warming trend attributed to global warming has been ongoing for a few decades. I'm not sure why you think temperature measurements from 200 years ago are critical to the debate. We also have temperature samples from the past 800k years through ice cores.
Again, places like NYC and ATL create their own weather systems.
So it's a good thing that we measure temperature at points all over the global, including ocean temperatures.
There is even evidence that for instance upstate NY is now colder than it was overall and that NYC is hotter.
That could very well be. Nobody is claiming that every point on the globe is warmer every year than the year before. Some parts of the globe are warming, some are cooling, but as a global average, there is warming.
... we specifically do know that a single burp of a major volcano can and has put more "greenhouse" gasses into the air than man has since the industrial revolution began.
That's factually inaccurate. Humans generate more greenhouse gases than volcanos do:
Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.

... while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes.
... We also know that variations in the heat from the sun and and solar flares make more difference than the changes to ozone.
Why are we talking about ozone?
Bottom line.. we are on a planet that is designed to repair itself and constantly evolve at the same time.
The planet doesn't care very much, it will happily transition to a new equilibrium point with warmer temperatures, higher sea levels, and more volatile weather. But people with farmland or waterfront property might care.
It is my belief that the earth is designed to be the perfect space craft for us and that yes..we "could" destroy it, but it is designed to resist our destructive tendency and maintain itself overall.
Our "designed spacecraft" isn't in danger of being destroyed, but I think it's pretty clear that no "designer" steps in to prevent us from changing how habitable it is.
-harry
 
I love it when an issue is pronounced from on high to be "over", or--my personal favorite--"settled". That's a pretty good sign that they're shooting blanks and hoping some credulous mouth-breather out there will buy it. :rofl:
Since we are not credulous mouth breathers, we understand that the pronouncements of political douchebags can neither prove something true that is untrue, nor prove something untrue that is true.
-harry
 
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