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RJM62

RJM62

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I finally coughed up the coin to upgrade to an SSD drive in my work computer. Micro Center had the Samsung V-NAND SSD 850 EVO on sale for $60.00 off.

For various reasons including my own stupidity, I had five occasions to reboot over the weekend, which was more than I do in a typical month. I don't really mind the reboots so much because they give me a reason to go pour a cup of coffee. But big programs like Adobe Premiere Pro take forever to start the first time after a reboot, so I decided it was time.

I also was looking for an excuse to make the 2.5 hour trip to Micro Center to buy, of all things, spare MicroSD cards that are NOT UHS-1 (for a flaky dashcam that barfs on UHS-1 cards), so it worked out okay.

Rich
 
my only question is why isn't WORK paying for an upgrade to your work computer?
 
Two things:

1. Samsung EVO 850 SSD is what I use in my famliy's iMacs and my PC. They have performed flawlessly and the gain in performance is absolutely worth the premium. Congrats on your acquisition of a SSD!

2. While I like Micro Center, Amazon can deliver SD cards to your door. (Unlike eBay where you can get some cloned SD cards that fail or don't have the capacity advertised. Ask me how I know...)
 
rtk11 said:
Two things:

1. Samsung EVO 850 SSD is what I use in my famliy's iMacs and my PC. They have performed flawlessly and the gain in performance is absolutely worth the premium. Congrats on your acquisition of a SSD!

2. While I like Micro Center, Amazon can deliver SD cards to your door. (Unlike eBay where you can get some cloned SD cards that fail or don't have the capacity advertised. Ask me how I know...)
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Thanks. It seems to be working nicely enough. Windows had to "optimize" it, but it's nice and zippy now that it's been "optimized." Premiere Pro opens from cold in about three seconds now. I used to go pour coffee waiting for it.

The problem with Amazon in this case was that I needed a very special SD card. It had to be a Class 6 or better, but not UHS-1. It's actually obsolete, and I've had mixed results ordering them from Amazon. Sometimes the listing doesn't say that a card is UHS-1, but it actually is. I suppose they don't necessarily update the listings when the cards are upgraded.

It's not a big enough deal for me to return them because UHS-1 cards work fine in the GoPro. But in this case I wanted to stock up on spare cards specifically for the dashcam, which barfs with gusto on UHS-1.

Besides, it doesn't take much of a reason for me to make a road trip to Micro Center. When I lived downstate it was like my second home. This was an "in-store only" sale, so it was just the excuse I was waiting for.

Rich
 
I must say, I found myself lagging behind the computer today. You establish a certain rhythm when you use the same software all the time, and that rhythm has now been sped up. The computer is now waiting for me rather than the other way around.

The improvement was most noticeable while editing videos with Premier Pro because the subroutines for effects and so forth opened instantly. It also allows me to run Fireworks in Win7 compatibility mode, which is where FW is most stable, but which was painfully laggy with a HDD. Running it in compatibility mode with the SSD is almost as fast as running it without compatibility under Win 10, but is much more stable. (Fireworks is essentially an orphan. Adobe still reluctantly makes it available to users with Creative Cloud accounts, but they haven't touched the code in years.) Dreamweaver also is a lot more zippy, especially when using site-wide global find-and-replace and when doing synchronization.

I may actually start shutting my computer down at night, which is something I haven't done in years. Full startup now takes about five seconds as opposed to a few minutes, and there's no more waiting for big programs to start after a reboot.

All in all, a worthy upgrade.

Rich
 
"The computer is now waiting for me rather than the other way around."

It's telling you to stop taking so many coffee breaks. :D

"I may actually start shutting my computer down at night"

I just put mine to sleep. It wakes up pretty quickly in the morning.
 
Norman said:
"The computer is now waiting for me rather than the other way around."

It's telling you to stop taking so many coffee breaks. :D

"I may actually start shutting my computer down at night"

I just put mine to sleep. It wakes up pretty quickly in the morning.
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Mine tends to have insomnia, usually after updates. The wireless adapter keeps getting re-enabled and set to its defaults (including WOL). The only reason I don't physically uninstall it is because in theory, it would allow me to connect to my phone's hotspot if the cable went down.

Rich
 
I own a mac mini and wanted to shove an SSD in there just to boot. So I did. shaved a whole 12 seconds off my 2 min boot time - not sure it was worth the effort finding a cable.
 
comanchepilot said:
I own a mac mini and wanted to shove an SSD in there just to boot. So I did. shaved a whole 12 seconds off my 2 min boot time - not sure it was worth the effort finding a cable.
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I suppose it's weakest link syndrome. I've already spent more than I paid for this computer in upgrades (i5 to i7processor, and 8 GB RAM to 32, and now the SSD). After the processor and RAM upgrades, that left the hard drive as the bottleneck. I doubt the difference would have been so stunning had I upgraded to the SSD in the original configuration.

When I bought it, I wasn't doing any video editing to speak of. The i5 and 8GB RAM were more than enough. The video editing came later and was what forced the upgrades.

Rich
 
Rich, if you didn’t install Samsung Magician, do so.

Get the latest from their website. Turn on the recommended stuff or spend a while figuring out what all of it is, because you’re a nerd like us, and then turn it on anyway. ;)

The drive will perform marginally better even than it is, and it’ll last longer. Oh and you’ll lose a little space if you allow Magician to reserve some space to load wear the SSD properly. (The SSD does this internally but it needs to know that some percentage of the overall drive is free space to do load leveling.)

There’s nothing you can’t do manually that Magician does, but it makes it a three or four click thing to get things all set up right for the SSD under Windows.

No Magician for Mac or Linux. But by the time you do Magician once, you’ll know what you’d need to do on the other OSs and can look it all up. ;)
 
By the way, the Samsung EVOs have performed flawlessly in a massive company wide update a few years ago, and continue to do so in anything that doesn’t get ordered with a factory SSD but needs a retrofit later.

The Pro gets a longer warranty, but we decided we don’t care.

We recently decided nothing comes in the door anymore without an SSD, or a plan to upgrade it, before it goes to a user. There’s literally no point in wasting everyone’s time with spinning disks anymore at current price points.

One four hour Windows Update troubleshooting session for a desktop tech with multiple reboots easily pays for that SSD in that machine. And stuff like that often multiplies.
 
denverpilot said:
Rich, if you didn’t install Samsung Magician, do so.

Get the latest from their website. Turn on the recommended stuff or spend a while figuring out what all of it is, because you’re a nerd like us, and then turn it on anyway. ;)

The drive will perform marginally better even than it is, and it’ll last longer. Oh and you’ll lose a little space if you allow Magician to reserve some space to load wear the SSD properly. (The SSD does this internally but it needs to know that some percentage of the overall drive is free space to do load leveling.)

There’s nothing you can’t do manually that Magician does, but it makes it a three or four click thing to get things all set up right for the SSD under Windows.

No Magician for Mac or Linux. But by the time you do Magician once, you’ll know what you’d need to do on the other OSs and can look it all up. ;)
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I did install it, but it doesn't seem to have any functions other than various tests (all of which passed) and a firmware update tool (which wesn't necessary as the drive came with the latest firmware). Maybe it's been dumbed down since you last used it. Windows 10 did "optimize" it, for whatever that's worth.

I didn't use the Samsung software to migrate the system, however, because I wanted to preserve the restore partition. Maybe that's part of the reason. I used Macrium to migrate the system.

Rich
 
When I first got a Samsung SSD, the software that came with it disabled Windows Backup, which struck me as an outstandingly dumb idea. I ended up turning off some or all of it (don't remember the exact details - this was some years ago).
 
Palmpilot said:
When I first got a Samsung SSD, the software that came with it disabled Windows Backup, which struck me as an outstandingly dumb idea. I ended up turning off some or all of it (don't remember the exact details - this was some years ago).
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Maybe they felt the reliability was such that they didn't need no steenking backup. Which of course would be an outstandingly dumb idea even if the drives were in fact bulletproof. There are many more ways to lose data besides drive failures.

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
Maybe they felt the reliability was such that they didn't need no steenking backup. Which of course would be an outstandingly dumb idea even if the drives were in fact bulletproof. There are many more ways to lose data besides drive failures.
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Their stated reason was the same as why they turned off indexing: they wanted to prolong the life of the SSD.
 
denverpilot said:
The Pro gets a longer warranty, but we decided we don’t care.
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Exactly the conclusion we came to with several machines running SSD's.
Only the CEO and those guys get pros haha
I've had luck with other brands too, but the sammys have been flawless. Well over 100 running currently, for a few years now.

So from my experience... I say excellent choice Richmeister!
 
RJM62 said:
I did install it, but it doesn't seem to have any functions other than various tests (all of which passed) and a firmware update tool (which wesn't necessary as the drive came with the latest firmware). Maybe it's been dumbed down since you last used it. Windows 10 did "optimize" it, for whatever that's worth.

I didn't use the Samsung software to migrate the system, however, because I wanted to preserve the restore partition. Maybe that's part of the reason. I used Macrium to migrate the system.

Rich
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Odd. I think the tests check if certain things are on. On a fresh Win10 already on the SSD it didn’t need to change much, but it did enable some write caching and offer to resize the partition to allow load leveling recently.
 
I bought a SSD for my old laptop and was duly impressed. Then I bought a new laptop with a m.2 SSD and DDR4 memory. All I can say is STAND BACK...............another order of magnitude faster.
 
Yeah I rebuilt my gaming machine two years ago and went SSD. Never going back.
 
Dr. Schambaugh, of the University of Oklahoma School of Chemical Engineering, Final Exam question for May of 1997. Dr. Schambaugh is known for asking questions such as, "why do airplanes fly?" on his final exams. His one and only final exam question in May 1997 for his Momentum, Heat and Mass Transfer II class was: "Is hell exothermic or endothermic? Support your answer with proof."

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

"First, We postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave.

Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, then you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially.

Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. Two options exist:

  1. If hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose.
  2. If hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the quote given to me by Theresa Manyan during Freshman year, "that it will be a cold night in hell before I sleep with you" and take into account the fact that I still have NOT succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then Option 2 cannot be true...Thus, hell is exothermic."

The student, Tim Graham, got the only A.
 
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