Grumman down. No fatalities.

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Given the condition of the wreckage, it looks like they are quite lucky to have survived.

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/08/gulfstream-american-aa-5b-tiger-n28005.html

http://www.wsiltv.com/story/36232274/plane-crash-near-murphysboro-injures-2-people


Also something about the wreckage as being observed by the Amish community in which it landed makes for an interesting photo.

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*sigh* hate seeing these...reminds me of my friends crash at Deer Valley in the Grumman.
 
That cabin structure is pretty stout.

The gentleman that got me interested in the grummans in the first place told me he had witnessed a crash and the plane was pretty much destroyed but the honeycomb structure that makes up the cabin area was fully intact and said that sealed the deal for him.

For me that didn't have a ton to do with the decision but I definitely like that structure in that spot it definitely seems very robust.
 
The gentleman that got me interested in the grummans in the first place told me he had witnessed a crash and the plane was pretty much destroyed but the honeycomb structure that makes up the cabin area was fully intact and said that sealed the deal for him.

For me that didn't have a ton to do with the decision but I definitely like that structure in that spot it definitely seems very robust.

Yup it's what saved the life of my friend as well.
 
The gentleman that got me interested in the grummans in the first place told me he had witnessed a crash and the plane was pretty much destroyed but the honeycomb structure that makes up the cabin area was fully intact and said that sealed the deal for him.

For me that didn't have a ton to do with the decision but I definitely like that structure in that spot it definitely seems very robust.
They are very sturdy airplanes!
 
When I was training for my CFI in 1970, the school had one of the early American AA-1 Yankees on the rental line. A 17-y/o private pilot decided to fly with the canopy full open (a placarded no-no). The canopy came off the tracks and lodged against the tail, making pitch control a little difficult. The airplane came down into a stand of old oak trees near Solvang CA. The pilot was uninjured ... until he tried to climb out of the cabin, fell out of the tree and broke his leg.

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=1319&key=0
 
When I was training for my CFI in 1970, the school had one of the early American AA-1 Yankees on the rental line. A 17-y/o private pilot decided to fly with the canopy full open (a placarded no-no). The canopy came off the tracks and lodged against the tail, making pitch control a little difficult. The airplane came down into a stand of old oak trees near Solvang CA. The pilot was uninjured ... until he tried to climb out of the cabin, fell out of the tree and broke his leg.

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=1319&key=0

I wonder if he survived the ensuing 47 years...
 
Hoping for a quick recovery of the pilot and pax. Hopefully they where airlifted as a precaution.
 
Water cooler rumor is that the propeller departed the aircraft in flight.
I haven't seen it written anywhere legit yet.

If true, that would suck.
 
Water cooler rumor is that the propeller departed the aircraft in flight.
I haven't seen it written anywhere legit yet.

If true, that would suck.
Somewhere on the interwbz is a video from a mooney driver who managed to lose track of his prop after departure from ASE. He was just about over Rudi reservoir so quite a ways down the valley. He made it back to Aspen. After posting a substantial reward the prop was found...
 
I have a buddy that lost his prop last month doing aerobatics. He made it back to the airport and managed to drive around and find his prop after..
 
Water cooler rumor is that the propeller departed the aircraft in flight.
Same thing happened to Senator Inhofe in his Grumman-American Tiger, in 1999: https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media...aircraft-maintenance-parting-ways-with-a-prop
An investigation of the failure found that the propeller had been installed incorrectly following recent maintenance. Routine maintenance such as replacing the alternator belt or starter on a Grumman requires the removal of the propeller prior to removing the nose bowl, which increases the frequency of prop removal/reinstallation—a very critical task to perform properly.

The crankshaft flange has an indexing “pin” that ensures the propeller is properly oriented—or “clocked”—on the flange during installation. The spinner back plate is sandwiched between the propeller and the crank flange, and has a corresponding hole for the pin to pass through into the prop.

Unfortunately, it is very easy to align the spinner back plate incorrectly during the installation of the propeller, causing the pin to punch a new hole in the spinner back plate and making it appear that all is well as the propeller is torqued down. However, all is not well because the remains of the newly punched-out hole can be caught between the propeller and back plate. This situation prevents the surfaces from mating correctly and, as the trapped material wears down, the space is freed up and the prop bolts no longer hold the propeller tightly to the crankshaft flange.

The scenario described above is exactly what happened in Inhofe’s case. As soon as the trapped aluminum had worn away, the resulting stress on the loose bolts caused them to shear, and the prop landed well before the aircraft did. In a strange twist of fate, one of Inhofe’s high school classmates found the propeller, resulting in a reunion of sorts for the propeller, the classmate, and the Senator back at the airport.

My airplane insurance broker lost the prop on his experimental Prescott Pusher a few years ago. He was injured in the forced landing, but recovered. Same can't be said for the airplane.

As scary as it must be inflight, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near where the prop came down ...

:eek:
 
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I have a buddy that lost his prop last month doing aerobatics. He made it back to the airport and managed to drive around and find his prop after..

He should have driven around in a car instead of the plane to find the prop
 
As scary as it must be inflight, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near where the prop came down ...

:eek:

My luck would have the prop sticking in a Ferrari or the roof of some lawyers house that is looking for that one case that will be instant retirement.
 
Airplanes fly poorly without a propeller attached
Propellers fly VERY poorly without an airplane attached.

Is this Newton or Bournoulli? Can never keep those guys straight.....
 
Bournoulli has been riding Newton's coat-tails for years.
He gets way too much credit for all the work Isaac put in.
 
Bournoulli has been riding Newton's coat-tails for years.
He gets way too much credit for all the work Isaac put in.
....but Bournoulli had the s__t job of sewer engineer.
 
....but Bournoulli had the s__t job of sewer engineer.
.....and wasn't he also responsible for the design of the Grumman main spar?
 
.....and wasn't he also responsible for the design of the Grumman main spar?
Naw that was Dr.-Professor Tube U. Lar from the Swedish Aeronautical Institute...
 
Anyone else wonder what the state police are so intently looking at/for?
 
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