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Woke up about 3:30 am with a debilitating attack of gout. No flying for me till it subsides, which, if history is any teacher, could take awhile.

I did manage to ride the race bike into work this morning, which I think earns me an award for sheer badassery. Could have earned a bigger one by walking. Ouch.
 
Feel better, buddy. If you need someone to exercise your airplane, or come along as PIC while you recuperate, I'm sure you can find some volunteers.
 
Woke up about 3:30 am with a debilitating attack of gout. No flying for me till it subsides, which, if history is any teacher, could take awhile.

I did manage to ride the race bike into work this morning, which I think earns me an award for sheer badassery. Could have earned a bigger one by walking. Ouch.


That's a bummer! Always heard that gout was an affliction of the idle rich. Have you been holding out on us - you are really a member of the 1%'ers? :D:D

Gary
 
That's a bummer! Always heard that gout was an affliction of the idle rich. Have you been holding out on us - you are really a member of the 1%'ers? :D:D

Gary

There was once some truth to that, as I suspect starving people don't have enough uric acid to promote an attack, and throughout history most people have beens starving. That, and historically only the idle rich lived long enough to suffer gout. A disease of antiquity, the Roman Emperor Severus was debilitated with it.

In my family only the vegetarians get gout. What really honks me off is despite my utter aversion to pills, I've been taking allopurinol religiously to prevent this, and I get it anyway.

Mrs. Steingar thinks I'm nailed because I'm drinking too much, and I'm not at all certain I disagree. Got into the habit of a beer or drink after a couple classes and my three mile walk. Had a gin martini last night, and surprised the dickens out of myself for liking it quite a bit.
 
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Sorry to hear this, hope you're feeling better soon. :yesnod:
 
In my family only the vegetarians get gout. What really honks me off is despite my utter aversion to pills, I've been taking allopurinol religiously to prevent this, and I get it anyway.

Is there a genentic componet involved? Interesting that only vegetarians have the issue.

Mrs. Steingar thinks I'm nailed because I'm drinking too much, and I'm not at all certain I disagree. Got into the habit of a beer or drink after a couple classes and my three mile walk. Had a gin martini last night, and surprised the dickens out of myself for liking it quite a bit.

A single mixed drink, that's too much?? Guess this reinforces my personal selection of the five basic food groups; fat, cholesterol, caffiene, nictotine and beer! :D Oh! forgot bourbon - make that six.

Do hope the issues subside quickly.

Gary
 
Is there a genentic componet involved? Interesting that only vegetarians have the issue.

Yes, the genes known to be involved are all part of the uric acid biosynthetic pathway. My father had it as well. Odds are my vegetarian brother and I get it because of a combination of alleles.

A single mixed drink, that's too much?? Guess this reinforces my personal selection of the five basic food groups; fat, cholesterol, caffiene, nictotine and beer! :D Oh! forgot bourbon - make that six.

Do hope the issues subside quickly.

Gary

Not really, I think a single mixed drink or a beer with dinner isn't that bad at all. I actively try to abstain due to the calories, but with the tremendous output of energy teaching and the 6 miles a day of walking, I've been imbibing somewhat more than usual. For example, the number of times I've imbibed a mixed drink during the work week was in the single digits until recently (might have finally made it into the double digits).

However, alcohol does bring on gout, as does shellfish. However, what I don't get is why I'm getting it while on the allopurinol. The stuff is supposed to lower systemic uric acid levels (it is an inhibitor of the enzyme that catalyzes the last step in uric acid biosynthesis).

Oh well, I just switch allopurinol for motrin for awhile. I'll loose weight, that's for sure.
 
Yes, the genes known to be involved are all part of the uric acid biosynthetic pathway. My father had it as well. Odds are my vegetarian brother and I get it because of a combination of alleles.

Learned something new. Seems as research progresses, more and more "diseases" are really genetic defects.

Not really, I think a single mixed drink or a beer with dinner isn't that bad at all. I actively try to abstain due to the calories, but with the tremendous output of energy teaching and the 6 miles a day of walking, I've been imbibing somewhat more than usual.

Would think that with the level of effort (teaching and the walking), the amount of calories contained in a beer or mixed drink would be negligable compared to the calories you are burning up?


For example, the number of times I've imbibed a mixed drink during the work week was in the single digits until recently (might have finally made it into the double digits).

See above

However, alcohol does bring on gout, as does shellfish.

Hmmm... something else learned, alcohol and shellfish, odd pair that have similar effect.

However, what I don't get is why I'm getting it while on the allopurinol. The stuff is supposed to lower systemic uric acid levels (it is an inhibitor of the enzyme that catalyzes the last step in uric acid biosynthesis).

No idea either. :D

Oh well, I just switch allopurinol for motrin for awhile. I'll loose weight, that's for sure.

Is Motrin known to cause weight loss?

Gary
 
My brother-in-law (also a teacher, maybe it's the profession?) has flare ups from time to time It's beef that he attributes the flare ups to.

Hope you feel better soon.
John
 
I'm not. Oh well. I learned from the Mooney guys that when you buy a plane you have to get "checked out" in it by a CFI, something I didn't know.

You don't have to. It's best to. And insurance would likely require something if you have no time in type.

You likely have no experience flying a Diamond DA-40, but it'd be perfectly legal for you to buy one and then go fly it.
 
You don't have to. It's best to. And insurance would likely require something if you have no time in type.

You likely have no experience flying a Diamond DA-40, but it'd be perfectly legal for you to buy one and then go fly it.

Really? That's odd, they said it was required. But I think you are right, that was due to their insurance. And theirs is so rare each one of them who co-owns the plane had to pay for TEN HOURS DUAL. Yikes.
 
Really? That's odd, they said it was required. But I think you are right, that was due to their insurance. And theirs is so rare each one of them who co-owns the plane had to pay for TEN HOURS DUAL. Yikes.
10 hours of dual to learn to fly a Mooney really is pretty reasonable
 
Woke up about 3:30 am with a debilitating attack of gout. No flying for me till it subsides, which, if history is any teacher, could take awhile.

I did manage to ride the race bike into work this morning, which I think earns me an award for sheer badassery. Could have earned a bigger one by walking. Ouch.

Oh and hope you feel better. I drink beer and didn't know about gout. Sounds awful.
 
There was once some truth to that, as I suspect starving people don't have enough uric acid to promote an attack, and throughout history most people have beens starving. That, and historically only the idle rich lived long enough to suffer gout. A disease of antiquity, the Roman Emperor Severus was debilitated with it.

"The disease of kings, and the king of diseases"

In my family only the vegetarians get gout.

Google "purines". Found in all foods, purines metabolize into uric acid. Animal based purines have a higher probability of causing gout, but vegetable based purines can do that job, too. Not all vegetables are equal in purine content. Legumes, like lentils, are higher in purines. So if your family vegetarians are feasting on legumes, they are feasting on gout food!

What really honks me off is despite my utter aversion to pills, I've been taking allopurinol religiously to prevent this, and I get it anyway.

Some people have naturally high uric acid levels in the blood. I am one of them, I am on allopurinol too. If you have high uric acid levels in your blood, welcome to the club! :mad:

Mrs. Steingar thinks I'm nailed because I'm drinking too much, and I'm not at all certain I disagree. Got into the habit of a beer or drink after a couple classes and my three mile walk. Had a gin martini last night, and surprised the dickens out of myself for liking it quite a bit.

Alcohol gives the kidneys a job to do and while doing that, it seems they neglect reducing uric acid. So your drinking isn't helping. Of note here, carbonated beverages seem to exacerbate the situation, too. So beer is not a good thing for a person with high uric acid levels. My last two attacks of gout have been after two beers each time... then ouch!

I can feel the attacks coming on, and take action to prevent it from becoming debilitating. Once that happened when I was at Oshkosh. A few beers with my host the night before, then all day sweating at the airshow - I wasn't drinking enough water. You have to pee the uric acid out, sweating it out doesn't help! So I flooded my system with water, cut out all booze and soda (and those delicious Wisconsin micro-brews), and managed to hobble through Airventure without too much pain.

Sorry, buddy, from someone who has been there too. Feel better

-Skip
 
Google "purines". Found in all foods, purines metabolize into uric acid. Animal based purines have a higher probability of causing gout, but vegetable based purines can do that job, too. Not all vegetables are equal in purine content. Legumes, like lentils, are higher in purines. So if your family vegetarians are feasting on legumes, they are feasting on gout food!

Uric acid is the end product of nitrogen metabolism. Most nitrogen is ingested in the form of protein (purines, the building blocks of nucleic acids, have nitrogen as well). Vegetarians tend to have a protein-poor diet compared to those who eat meat, which is chock full of the stuff. Most Americans consume quite a bit of excess protein.

Some people have naturally high uric acid levels in the blood. I am one of them, I am on allopurinol too. If you have high uric acid levels in your blood, welcome to the club! :mad:

As do I. Allopurinol inhibits Xanthine Oxidase, the enzyme that carries out the last step of uric acid biosynthesis. You secrete xanthine instead, which is in no way bad for you. It is supposed to lower your serum levels of Uric Acid, though today, after being woken up at 3:30 am by searing pain despite the vicodin, I have my doubts. There are some newer drugs on the market, but I won't try anything that hasn't been out 7 years. Google Vioxx.

Alcohol gives the kidneys a job to do and while doing that, it seems they neglect reducing uric acid. So your drinking isn't helping. Of note here, carbonated beverages seem to exacerbate the situation, too. So beer is not a good thing for a person with high uric acid levels. My last two attacks of gout have been after two beers each time... then ouch!

I suspect the situation is somewhat more nuanced than you describe. What brings on my own attacks is mysterious at best. Yes, I had a martini the night before. But I had two or three beers a couple nights before that. I assume it's some degree of systematic exhaustion (depressing the immune system) coupled with some sort of trigger. Hard to know what brings it on. I always drink copious quantities of liquid to stave off both gout, and its big brother (which also runs in families including mine), Kidney stones.

Google "purines". Found in all foods, purines metabolize into uric acid. Animal based purines have a higher probability of causing gout, but vegetable based purines can do that job, too. Not all vegetables are equal in purine content. Legumes, like lentils, are higher in purines. So if your family vegetarians are feasting on legumes, they are feasting on gout food!

Uric acid is the end product of nitrogen metabolism. Most nitrogen is ingested in the form of protein (purines, the building blocks of nucleic acids, have nitrogen as well). Vegetarians tend to have a protein-poor diet compared to those who eat meat, which is chock full of the stuff. Most Americans consume quite a bit of excess protein.

Some people have naturally high uric acid levels in the blood. I am one of them, I am on allopurinol too. If you have high uric acid levels in your blood, welcome to the club! :mad:

As do I. Allopurinol inhibits Xanthine Oxidase, the enzyme that carries out the last step of uric acid biosynthesis. You secrete xanthine instead, which is in no way bad for you. It is supposed to lower your serum levels of Uric Acid, though today, after being woken up at 3:30 am by searing pain despite the vicodin, I have my doubts. There are some newer drugs on the market, but I won't try anything that hasn't been out 7 years. Google Vioxx.

I can feel the attacks coming on, and take action to prevent it from becoming debilitating. Once that happened when I was at Oshkosh. A few beers with my host the night before, then all day sweating at the airshow - I wasn't drinking enough water. You have to pee the uric acid out, sweating it out doesn't help! So I flooded my system with water, cut out all booze and soda (and those delicious Wisconsin micro-brews), and managed to hobble through Airventure without too much pain.

Sorry, buddy, from someone who has been there too. Feel better

-Skip

Thank you very much, and thanks to all who have sent well wishes. And of course, best of luck to you as well. I wouldn't even wish this on someone I didn't like.
 
Really? That's odd, they said it was required. But I think you are right, that was due to their insurance. And theirs is so rare each one of them who co-owns the plane had to pay for TEN HOURS DUAL. Yikes.

This is certainly an insurance requirement unless you are talking about buying something that requires a type rating (yikes!) or needing to acquire a complex or high performance endorsement.

If all of your hours are in a Cessna 172 and you buy one this requirement will probably not be there. The insurance company just wants to see you get some transition training when you move to a new type. Doubly so if it is a retract and you have low complex time...
 
Cherries, cherries, cherries. If you can't find cherry juice concentrate then buy bags of dried ones and eat a many as you can stomach.
 
Michael, hope you're feeling better soon.

+1 on the cherry juice or dried cherries, it does work.
 
There was once some truth to that, as I suspect starving people don't have enough uric acid to promote an attack, and throughout history most people have beens starving. That, and historically only the idle rich lived long enough to suffer gout. A disease of antiquity, the Roman Emperor Severus was debilitated with it.

In my family only the vegetarians get gout. What really honks me off is despite my utter aversion to pills, I've been taking allopurinol religiously to prevent this, and I get it anyway.

Mrs. Steingar thinks I'm nailed because I'm drinking too much, and I'm not at all certain I disagree. Got into the habit of a beer or drink after a couple classes and my three mile walk. Had a gin martini last night, and surprised the dickens out of myself for liking it quite a bit.
Get well soon. I know your goal is to avoid seeing a physician. You probably don't want to read this: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra0800885
 
Gout???? That's a fat, rich guy's disease!!!!!


Of course I'm teasing you. Doesn't sound fun, especially since you're so aware of the issue and have actively been trying to avoid it. Life is rather unfair sometimes.

Get well soon..

A
 
Get well soon. I know your goal is to avoid seeing a physician. You probably don't want to read this: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra0800885

You're preaching to the choir. There are reasons I maintain a vegetarian diet, walk 6 miles a day, and do everything I can to stay trim. I cannot imagine what else I can reasonably do to stave off cardiovascular illness.
 
But wait... you're taking pills in order to do everyday things? Who gets to shoot you?

:)
 
Michael: you need five doses of Indomethacin 25 tid. It will be gone. I know you take NSAIDs (motrin) so you can tolerate this one. Get thee to the doc.....
 
Woke up about 3:30 am with a debilitating attack of gout. No flying for me till it subsides, which, if history is any teacher, could take awhile.

I did manage to ride the race bike into work this morning, which I think earns me an award for sheer badassery. Could have earned a bigger one by walking. Ouch.
I'm sorry to hear this. I hope that you are on the mend soon and that it's no too painful.
 
I'm not. Oh well. I learned from the Mooney guys that when you buy a plane you have to get "checked out" in it by a CFI, something I didn't know.

If you buy the plane cash and don't have an insurer telling you what to do, they plane you are talking about required a complex endorsement and more powerful models require a high power endorsement. If you already have them, you are good to go. They don't have to happen in a mooney.

The checkout is prudent. It's insurance driven. But you are legal without it.

Now. They key point. What's legal isn't always safe. And what's safe isn't always legal.
 
Michael: you need five doses of Indomethacin 25 tid. It will be gone. I know you take NSAIDs (motrin) so you can tolerate this one. Get thee to the doc.....

Actually, I'm having quite a bit of difficulty tolerating the NSAIDs, though it is helping with my ever present weight loss regimen. I will be calling my doc tomorrow; I should have a better choice than debilitating pain or being actively nauseous. Oh, and thanks for the free medical advice. I suspect it's worth way more than I paid for it.

And Mrs. S. can confirm that I avoid MDs and pills like the plague. However, I am less than sanguine about debilitating pain, and that's what it takes to get me to swallow a pill. The only thing a man can experience worse than gout is kidney stones, and the FAA will ground you for even a wiff of that.

By the way things are looking up. I actually put on socks today.
 
Glad to hear you're on the mend.

Actually, I'm having quite a bit of difficulty tolerating the NSAIDs, though it is helping with my ever present weight loss regimen. I will be calling my doc tomorrow; I should have a better choice than debilitating pain or being actively nauseous. Oh, and thanks for the free medical advice. I suspect it's worth way more than I paid for it.

And Mrs. S. can confirm that I avoid MDs and pills like the plague. However, I am less than sanguine about debilitating pain, and that's what it takes to get me to swallow a pill. The only thing a man can experience worse than gout is kidney stones, and the FAA will ground you for even a wiff of that.

By the way things are looking up. I actually put on socks today.
 
By the way things are looking up. I actually put on socks today.
That's movement in the right direction-- glad to hear that. Hope you keep getting better.
 
Last night was the first one since this started that I wasn't awoken by pain. Of course, putting on hiking boots and walking three miles didn't help any (won't ride a motorcycle in the snow, crashing hurts worse than the gout). My dog is probably wondering why I make such loud funny noises when I attach those strange things to the end of my legs. Snow should melt by tomorrow. The Goldwing even got an expensive new battery so I can get it started.

Thanks for the all the well wishes. I think I turned a corner.
 
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