Re: Logging XC PIC
Missa said:
Doesn't work. Pilot 2 can not log XC because XC requires a landing at an airport greater then 50 Nm from the depature airport. Since only Pilot 1 makes that landing (and is not under the hood unless both are compleatly stupid) only Pilot 1 can log XC time. Pilot 2 can log the time Pilot 1 is under the hood as PIC but can not log it as XC time. Pilot 1 gets XC to the Fly-in, Pilot 2 gets XC from the fly-in, both get PIC both ways. That's the best you can do.
Missa
Hmmm... I disagree, but even if you are correct, there's a way to fix it.
First, here's the relevant portion of 14 CFR 61.1:
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(3) Cross-country time means—
(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
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I read that like this: "Time acquired during a flight that includes a point of landing..." It doesn't say that landing has to be performed by the person to be able to log cross country, just that the
flight has to have a landing >50 nm from the point of departure. After all, the point of cross country is to navigate and find another airport, thus I believe that (C) is the most important qualifier. The under-the-hood pilot is going to be using electronic/radio/other navigation aids, while the safety pilot is going to be using pilotage.
Now, even if you read it as the
pilot requiring a landing rather than the flight, couldn't you simply go once more around the pattern at the destination and have the other pilot perform a landing as well? The formerly-hooded pilot couldn't log the trip around the pattern, but now both pilots have had a landing >50nm away right? In fact, if you didn't want to have someone landing from the right seat, couldn't you log that landing on a trip around the pattern at the beginning of the return flight? It's still >50nm from the original point of departure...
Food for thought. Does Ron read this conference? I'd like to hear what he has to say.
