Gsim Aviation
Pre-Flight
Garmin is working on the new G5000 for the part 25 aircraft.
Garmin G5000
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Hmmm... I wonder how the jet jocks will like entering airways in waypoint by waypoint....
John Collins
En-Route
What is a G5000?
Gsim Aviation
Pre-Flight
All the G1000 3000 and the Perspective you do not need to use waypoints just use the airway name or number. I would think the G5000 would do the same.
Gsim Aviation
Pre-Flight
Looks like it is the new G1000 type avionics and auto pilot for large type part 25 aircraft, i.e. Airline type planes.
flyingcheesehead
Touchdown! Greaser!
Airways have been on the G1000 for some time now.
I already plugged in a potential route to the FlyBQ in the DA40 to check it out - KMSN FAH HIC V337 ECK YQO V464 BROTO KLOM.
In the bad old days, that would have been KMSN FAH HIC MOP MBS ECK YQO FOWEL BROTO KLOM.
What I don't like is that when you have airways expanded in the G1000 you get every single intersection on that airway added to your route. So, while it's easier to enter, now the flight plan looks like this: KMSN FAH HIC MOP MBS REESE VASAR WINTO ECK FOWEL FWBKB BROTO KLOM. And that's a route that's only occasionally on an airway!
TangoWhiskey
Touchdown! Greaser!
chucky
Line Up and Wait
It's handy to have them all in the route, though, in case you get a 'direct to' clearance (or a hold, even!). Around here, sometimes they'll vector you around in circles for traffic and then give you a direct clearance to a fix further down your route.
flyingcheesehead
Touchdown! Greaser!
True, but I've never been given a clearance direct to an intersection that was in the middle of an airway filed on the route, though - Only VOR's, or intersections that were explicitly filed.
In reality, I probably wouldn't bother putting the airways in the route anyway - I'd just go KMSN FAH HIC YQO BROTO KLOM.
HPNPilot1200
En-Route
Collapse airways!
+1. On the Garmin Prodigy suite we enter airways the same as on the standard G1000 installations. It's not difficult, I just find it is not as intuitive as entering a route into the Collins system (FMS3000 is what I'm used to) since in the Collins system you can type in the airway and entry/exit point rather than having to scroll through a list of options. See the attached images.
I would imagine on a Part 25 installation, Garmin will find a way to interface the GCU (Garmin control unit) with the airway functionality so it's a little quicker to enter in a long route.
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Jason
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I would expect that on a G5000 installation that there would be a dedicated alphanumeric keypad. It's already on the G1000 in some installations, like the Cirrus.
HPNPilot1200
En-Route
Yup it's called the GCU (Garmin Control Unit).
Gsim Aviation
Pre-Flight
No you can go to the menu and shrink (collapse) the Airway, then you will not have all the waypoints in the flight plan, just the V airways.
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Gsim Aviation
Pre-Flight
Yes there will be 2 touch screen GCU's on the G5000 like the G3000 has.
flyingcheesehead
Touchdown! Greaser!
Yeah... I wasn't impressed with the usability factor there either. If you enter, for example, "KMSN FAH KLOM" and you want to put the airway after FAH, you move the cursor to... KLOM? What the hell. But yeah, that's how you do it - Put the cursor at KLOM, flip the small knob to the right one click, and then the "LD AIRWAY" softkey is activated at the lower right. But, it beats not having airways at all.
OBTW, I found this funny:
BAE BGOSH DLH? Hey waitaminute... Oshkosh is roughly between BAE and DLH, if a wee bit off course - But yes, it's not far from the intersection. Oshkosh BGOSH.
Now I just need to fly over it while wearing overalls. 
TangoWhiskey
Touchdown! Greaser!
The jets I flew in to India had them. But they were on the seatbacks in front of me (entertainment system). Don't know of any cockpits with them.
I don't think the EFB on the planes are touch screen, they have little buttons like the G1000 does.
HPNPilot1200
En-Route
Most of the EFB's I have used are touchscreen, but as always which model of EFB purchased and used varies by operator.
TangoWhiskey
Touchdown! Greaser!
You can see the new G5000 (landscape displays) in the video Cessna produced for their new Latitude jet:
http://www.cessna.com/about/cessna-channel.html
http://www.cessna.com/about/cessna-channel.html
olasek
Pattern Altitude
Similar landscape displays are already available on 2012 Cessna Columbia equipped with G2000.
BrianNC
En-Route
The G5000 is going to debut in the new Cessna Citation Ten.
http://blog.globalair.com/post/Cessna-Garmin-display-Citation-Ten-G5000-at-NBAA-2010.aspx
http://blog.globalair.com/post/Cessna-Garmin-display-Citation-Ten-G5000-at-NBAA-2010.aspx
TMetzinger
Final Approach
Still didn't see Angry Birds. Four wide screens and not ONE is showing Angry Birds!
denverpilot
Tied Down
A Google search of "Angry Birds G1000" turned up nothing.
The Photoshoppers of the Interwebz have disappointed me tonight.
The Photoshoppers of the Interwebz have disappointed me tonight.
TangoWhiskey
Touchdown! Greaser!
A Google search of "Angry Birds G1000" turned up nothing.
The Photoshoppers of the Interwebz have disappointed me tonight.
You inspired me. Note the new soft key.
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n20junkie
Pre-takeoff checklist
G1000 has airways in it now.
Put start fix, hit V or J, select the ldawy soft key, select the airway, select the exit point, loads every fix.
I can load a DP, 5 airways, a STAR and an APPCH in 2 min total.
TangoWhiskey
Touchdown! Greaser!
It's had airways for a while... What kind of plane do you fly? I'm wondering if your Avionics were just behind on firmware updates?
denverpilot
Tied Down
You inspired me. Note the new soft key.
LOL! Awesome. Thanks.