Garmin G5 version 5.5

WannFly

WannFly

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Changes made from version 5.20 to 5.50:
  • Added support for G500/TXI integration
  • Added support for GTN VNAV guidance
  • Added config mode indication that aircraft is in motion during magnetometer calibration
  • Improved CAN bus error reporting
  • Improved VHF NAV radio RS-232 OBS course data output
  • General improvements to system operation
  • Includes update to GMC 507 software version 2.40
  • Includes GAD 29 software version 3.00
  • Includes GMU 11 software version 2.00
  • Includes GSA 28 software version 4.10
 
I wish I was 30 years younger and understood all this stuff. :confused:

Between the acronyms, the software versions and things like "config mode" it's all seems unnecessarily complex. No wonder @Shepherd flies a Cub. :D
 
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Doesn’t an avionics shop have to do the software update?
 
CC268 said:
Doesn’t an avionics shop have to do the software update?
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The downloads and instructions are right on the website. Then you insert the microSD card in the unit, it auto recognizes the file and updates. Takes 30 seconds and a reboot. If you have to pay a dealer to do that then I will quit flying.
 
A bit harsh doncha think? My friend was only asking who does the update. He's young and can't know everything like the rest of us.
 
NealRomeoGolf said:
The downloads and instructions are right on the website. Then you insert the microSD card in the unit, it auto recognizes the file and updates. Takes 30 seconds and a reboot. If you have to pay a dealer to do that then I will quit flying.
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Gotcha yea I just did it about 30 mins ago and it was incredibly easy. Updated my radio database as well
 
Timbeck2 said:
A bit harsh doncha think? My friend was only asking who does the update. He's young and can't know everything like the rest of us.
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We haven't met in person. I am not capable of harsh (unless you are my child) so read my posts in a chill voice or add a missing :cool: emoji or something. I am harmless I swear. :)
 
Listen fellas I updated it to v5.50. Worked like a charm. Flew this morning. Good times. Worked good. Got a blistering 123 knots coming into KDVT.

Cheers.
 
How do you get the updates, or the MicroSD card?
 
If you have dual G5s, you need to do both, otherwise they complain about software mismatch.
 
Someone posted a link to this company a few days ago, think this might blow the G5 out of the water

rs=w:1200,cg:true

https://aerovonics.com/av-30
 
teejayevans said:
No autopilot integration (magnetic heading or gpss) is a major con.
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For a AI, with AP being driven from a existing HSI or eHSI... just sucks to not have a FD, but still the the AOA lime thing and form factor and all, plus at 1500ish bucks
 
James331 said:
For a AI, with AP being driven from a existing HSI or eHSI... just sucks to not have a FD, but still the the AOA lime thing and form factor and all, plus at 1500ish bucks
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Probeless AOA.... don’t think I will bite that. But for 1500 if the vacuum AI fails and there is no AP, can’t beat this
 
WannFly said:
Probeless AOA.... don’t think I will bite that. But for 1500 if the vacuum AI fails and there is no AP, can’t beat this
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Or if your AP goes off your HSI like mine
 
James331 said:
For a AI, with AP being driven from a existing HSI or eHSI... just sucks to not have a FD, but still the the AOA lime thing and form factor and all, plus at 1500ish bucks
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AOA is useless with audio alerts IMO, I’m not looking at the panel when AOA is likely be most useful. Still it looks nice and for someone without an AP it would be an option, but a G5 killer, no. I do hope Garmin sees it and notices the arc mode, G5 needs that.
 
With the AV-30, how do you update the software? I don't see a USB or SD card slot anywhere.

Upside of these digital displays is that all it takes is some programming and a software update to get new features. I would expect Garmin to update the G5 with that feature in a few months!
 
teejayevans said:
AOA is useless with audio alerts IMO, I’m not looking at the panel when AOA is likely be most useful. Still it looks nice and for someone without an AP it would be an option, but a G5 killer, no. I do hope Garmin sees it and notices the arc mode, G5 needs that.
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It’s reslly not a big deal, work plane has a AOA on the top efis, just a glance away.
 
teejayevans said:
AOA is useless with audio alerts IMO, I’m not looking at the panel when AOA is likely be most useful. Still it looks nice and for someone without an AP it would be an option, but a G5 killer, no. I do hope Garmin sees it and notices the arc mode, G5 needs that.
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Some, if not all AOA have an option to connect to the audio panel. It’s nice when u here either a tone or a voice telling you are getting slow (unless your are a few feet above ground). But yah, without voice it’s too much to focus inside during critical phases
 
James331 said:
Someone posted a link to this company a few days ago, think this might blow the G5 out of the water
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No AP pickoffs, no vertical modes on HSI, form factor is so-so, no reversionary mode, 30 minute backup battery only, vaporware until 2019... G5 killer, not a chance. For non-AP airplanes on a budget, might be a nice pair of instruments, especially for VFR only.

It will take a lot more than this to threaten the dual G5 configuration. Go back in time by 5 years and we'd all be out of our gourds over this, though. Heh.
 
What cc268 said.
 
Ryan F. said:
No AP pickoffs, no vertical modes on HSI, form factor is so-so, no reversionary mode, 30 minute backup battery only, vaporware until 2019... G5 killer, not a chance. For non-AP airplanes on a budget, might be a nice pair of instruments, especially for VFR only.

It will take a lot more than this to threaten the dual G5 configuration. Go back in time by 5 years and we'd all be out of our gourds over this, though. Heh.
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Again I don’t get the AP issue, LOTS of APs don’t go off the AI
 
James331 said:
Again I don’t get the AP issue, LOTS of APs don’t go off the AI
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Well, on the other hand, lots do (including mine.) The bigger issue is the coming wave of low-cost autopilots which offer, or will offer, complete integration with a PFD style ADI including a flight director. Garmin's GFC500 is an example of this. Among other things, that integration includes VNAV. When you go off-brand with these sorts of products you lose a lot of future upgradability and integration.

Moving to the AV-30 DG, the G5 is of course an HSI, which offers a magnetometer source option, which the AV-30 does not. That alone is enough to keep the two units separate in terms of functionality and perceived benefit in the eyes of the user. Right now, one can hook up a G5 HSI to a GNS or GTN based panel and a legacy autopilot (mine is the Altimatic III, heh) and get GPSS via the GAD29B. That's an incredible level of capability for a few bucks.

In the AV-30's favor, at least in terms of presentation, are a handful of extra features of varying value. Arc view in particular is something I've wanted for the G5 HSI for a while. A map mode might be desirable to some as well. But these are small extras that don't really move the needle too much, given the rather large gap in fundamental capability.

They're still standalone instruments, at least at present, don't revert to each other, and the HSI is really billed more as a DG, which is a more truthful way of portraying it in my opinion. The company's value proposition appears to be price and standalone functionality. Like I said, this would be great for airplanes which don't have an AP now and may never have one in the panel. I'm thinking older flight school aircraft, 150/152s or even old 172s which aren't likely to ever have an autopilot installed -- heck, why not. This would be great for a few K in acquisition and another couple K in installation. But the price still ends up being close enough to a pair of G5s that the purchaser would have to be really sure that the savings justifies going off-brand for greatly reduced capability. Aircraft residual value still matters -- nobody owns an aircraft forever.
 
arnoha said:
With the AV-30, how do you update the software? I don't see a USB or SD card slot anywhere.

Upside of these digital displays is that all it takes is some programming and a software update to get new features. I would expect Garmin to update the G5 with that feature in a few months!
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You'd think! Actually, Garmin has been steadily upgrading the G5. As I mentioned in my previous post, I think the HSI would really benefit from an arc view. The screen's display real estate would really be maximized by an arc view. And why not a map mode while they're at it? I don't personally use that feature much but it would seem that all the data is flowing to and from the (required) GTN or GNS series Navigator in the panel. I'm hopeful they'll add this stuff over time.
 
WannFly said:
Probeless AOA.... don’t think I will bite that. But for 1500 if the vacuum AI fails and there is no AP, can’t beat this
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Probeless AOA? I’m guessing it just warns you when your ‘pitch altitude’ gets steep. Are they really selling that as AOA?
 
James331 said:
Someone posted a link to this company a few days ago, think this might blow the G5 out of the water

rs=w:1200,cg:true

https://aerovonics.com/av-30
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In their FAQ they say this:
When interfaced to a GPS Navigator the DG can optionally operate in Track mode and no corrections will be required. For day to day operations, GPS track mode is generally preferred over heading.

Occasionally when actual magnetic heading is required (ATC clearances in large cross-wind environments), the non-slaved DG is available, or simply use your wet compass for those operations.

They are saying that ‘no big deal it’s not slaved. If you don’t want to bother setting the DG to the wet compass every now and then, then just leave it in Track Mode and use the wet compass when ATC starts vectoring you around.’
??????
 
luvflyin said:
Probeless AOA? I’m guessing it just warns you when your ‘pitch altitude’ gets steep. Are they really selling that as AOA?
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Not sure how theirs works precisely, but my understanding is the guy behind this instrument was a co-founder of Aspen, which also sells a probe-less AOA product. (See: https://aerovonics.com/about-us ) Usually this form of AOA is a computational model based on some limited form of air data, sometimes including G-loading, combined with attitude information. When calibrated, the unit knows that combinations of pitch, airspeed, and G-loading will result in a given AOA (the G-load will assist in detecting accelerated stalls for example.)

I have never dived deeply into the details of probe vs. probeless but my intuition suggests the former would be superior, albeit the latter could probably be pretty reliable in most "normal," conceivable flight scenarios.
 
Ryan F. said:
Not sure how theirs works precisely, but my understanding is the guy behind this instrument was a co-founder of Aspen, which also sells a probe-less AOA product. (See: https://aerovonics.com/about-us ) Usually this form of AOA is a computational model based on some limited form of air data, sometimes including G-loading, combined with attitude information. When calibrated, the unit knows that combinations of pitch, airspeed, and G-loading will result in a given AOA (the G-load will assist in detecting accelerated stalls for example.)

I have never dived deeply into the details of probe vs. probeless but my intuition suggests the former would be superior, albeit the latter could probably be pretty reliable in most "normal," conceivable flight scenarios.
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Ah. Thanks for the info. It has indicated airspeed and a G meter along with pitch altitude, so now I can see how it could crunch some numbers and give an approximation of AOA.
 
luvflyin said:
In their FAQ they say this:
When interfaced to a GPS Navigator the DG can optionally operate in Track mode and no corrections will be required. For day to day operations, GPS track mode is generally preferred over heading.

Occasionally when actual magnetic heading is required (ATC clearances in large cross-wind environments), the non-slaved DG is available, or simply use your wet compass for those operations.

They are saying that ‘no big deal it’s not slaved. If you don’t want to bother setting the DG to the wet compass every now and then, then just leave it in Track Mode and use the wet compass when ATC starts vectoring you around.’
??????
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That does suck.

Personally I was more just looking at the AI aspect
 
James331 said:
Someone posted a link to this company a few days ago, think this might blow the G5 out of the water

rs=w:1200,cg:true

https://aerovonics.com/av-30
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Well I don't have an AP and right now its only for experimental and I'd rather have round than square. But this one interests me however its too late for me since my G5 arrived yesterday. I wonder what the price will be for certified aircraft.
 
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