For those foggy days when you still want to fly

Wow -Frontgate. That brings back memories.

In the mid 90's when I lived in the mountains of Colorado, I bought a swivel Christmas tree stand from them. You put a plastic cap on the bottom of the tree, put it in the base, and pressed a pedal down to swivel it back and forth until it was straight. When you released the pedal, it stayed in place.

Haven't given them a second thought until I saw you post that. At around $150 or so, my tree stand was just a little cheaper than that flight sim. Guess they've moved upmarket.
 
I agree about cheaper but someone will buy them to play with. With the other thread discussing what you can and cannot log as far as time, I thought this a good "grenade" to throw into the fray. Seems the Feds just upped the amount of hours (20) one can log in a simulator for their instrument rating.
 
MD11Pilot said:
http://www.frontgate.com/flight-simulator/723605?redirect=y


Now the inevitable question....can you log the time?
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FFA-certified flight control panel
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I don't think certification by the Future Farmers of America counts for much in that regard. But if that was a typo, and it really is FAA-certified, one would have to see the LoA to know exactly what FAA purposes it can be used for. However, the manufacturer's web site does not indicate any FAA approval, in which case nothing can be logged.
 
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MD11Pilot said:
Seems the Feds just upped the amount of hours (20) one can log in a simulator for their instrument rating.
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That's not quite accurate. What the new change to 61.65 effective 1/20/15 did was increase the amount allowable towards the IR in ATD's from 10 to 20 hours. However, they said in the preamble that they will not be issuing LoA's for more than 10 hours for BATD's, only for AATD's. The rules for FTD's and full flight simulators remain unchanged at 20 hours for regular Part 61 IR training.
 
Ron Levy said:
That's not quite accurate. What the new change to 61.65 effective 1/20/15 did was increase the amount allowable towards the IR in ATD's from 10 to 20 hours. However, they said in the preamble that they will not be issuing LoA's for more than 10 hours for BATD's, only for AATD's. The rules for FTD's and full flight simulators remain unchanged at 20 hours for regular Part 61 IR training.
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But in any case, if it were approved and the time was loggable, the log entry would still have to be endorsed by a CFII, correct?
 
Ron Levy said:
I don't think certification by the Future Farmers of America counts for much in that regard. But if that was a typo, and it really is FAA-certified, one would have to see the LoA to know exactly what FAA purposes it can be used for. However, the manufacturer's web site does not indicate any FAA approval, in which case nothing can be logged.
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You don't necessarily need the manufacturer to certify it.

Looking at the panel, if the software is up to snuff, you could very likely get it approved as at least a BATD and from the looks of it, an AATD based on the FAA AC on the subject. Now, whether you want to go through the process to get it approved or not is another matter.
 
Wow.. for that price I would like to have some physical instruments, not just on the screen.
 
MD11Pilot said:
I agree about cheaper but someone will buy them to play with. With the other thread discussing what you can and cannot log as far as time, I thought this a good "grenade" to throw into the fray. Seems the Feds just upped the amount of hours (20) one can log in a simulator for their instrument rating.
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Only if it is an Advanced Aviation Training Device.

Bob Gardner
 
It looks like they're using a PFC console. That same console is used in FAA-approved configuration from Precision Flight Controls, but I'm guessing this one isn't certified. They're not showing an instructor console, which means it can't be an AATD.

Pretty nice visual system, though!

At that price point, you definitely could go out and get a used AATD with a better panel, too.
 
As I have stated before, just getting back into GA prior to retirement...I have grown very fond of this and other sites as they help dust very old cobwebs out and help me to remember what it was like when I first started out. My main problem with aviation today is the dadgum revamping of airspace...Class B is a TCA...right? :dunno:
 
If someone has enough money to buy this for fun... I have a personal shopping list for you. :-)
 
Interesting, obviously it was previously used in an Icon A5 marketing program, I wonder why it has the Multi Engine quadrant?
 
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But in any case, if it were approved and the time was loggable, the log entry would still have to be endorsed by a CFII, correct?
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Pretty much "yes". You can still do some sim training for PP with a CFI-A-only, but other than that, you need a CFI-IA involved, and you always need an authorized instructor's signature.
 
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You don't necessarily need the manufacturer to certify it.

Looking at the panel, if the software is up to snuff, you could very likely get it approved as at least a BATD and from the looks of it, an AATD based on the FAA AC on the subject. Now, whether you want to go through the process to get it approved or not is another matter.
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I think you should read Part 60 and AC 61-136A to see what's involved in getting a sim certified. I don't see anyone getting a sim certified on their own without the manufacturer's involvement.
 
You e got to be an idiot to pay $75K for that. On top of that, it looks like it uses a sim that 8 years old at this point.
 
We finally get some fog and flyable IFR in the valley for a few days and TRACON goes into gate holds and 2 hr delays for local flights. :(

Flyable IFR around here means low ceilings with temps high enough that you don't get icing.
 
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We finally get some fog and flyable IFR in the valley for a few days and TRACON goes into gate holds and 2 hr delays for local flights. :(

Flyable IFR around here means low ceilings with temps high enough that you don't get icing.
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Was some interesting weather for sure.
 
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