Flying Cloud Beech 18 Crash

Very sad. :(
 
This is so terrible. Could it really be fuel mismanagement? And that girl died for nothing too. I swear I'm studying systems of any airplane I climb into.
 
zaitcev said:
This is so terrible. Could it really be fuel mismanagement? And that girl died for nothing too. I swear I'm studying systems of any airplane I climb into.
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Systems knowledge is a critical aspect of safety in any airplane. Good on ya.
 
Sorry, but I'm not flying in any airplane that has been sitting outside for years without a thorough, complete, and careful inspection, and then lots of static runups.

Then I'm flying over the airport for about an hour.

(By the way -- this is exactly what I did when I finally flew my Chief for the first time -- we flew 45 minutes over the field after climbing to 3500').
 
dmccormack said:
Sorry, but I'm not flying in any airplane that has been sitting outside for years without a thorough, complete, and careful inspection, and then lots of static runups.

Then I'm flying over the airport for about an hour.
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Read the report. They HAD done "lots of static runups" and were cleared to fly over the airport in circles.

The big problem: The mechanic obviously wasn't sure of it - He'd filled out the ferry permit but not signed it yet. He wanted to "go over the plane once more." But the pilot took off anyway, without a signed ferry permit, WITH a passenger that the permit wouldn't have allowed, and with the intention of picking up more passengers. :incazzato:
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Read the report. They HAD done "lots of static runups" and were cleared to fly over the airport in circles.

The big problem: The mechanic obviously wasn't sure of it - He'd filled out the ferry permit but not signed it yet. He wanted to "go over the plane once more." But the pilot took off anyway, without a signed ferry permit, WITH a passenger that the permit wouldn't have allowed, and with the intention of picking up more passengers. :incazzato:
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I did -- and my comment about "static runups" followed my requirement for a thorough inspection -- which isn't "complete" unless it's logged.

If the mechanic isn't willing to sign, I'm not too willing to fly.

And yes -- I have flown on a ferry permit.
 
This is so sad on so many levels. Flying an unairworthy aircraft with no experience in type or model. So utterly preventable with the application of the simplest and most common good sense.
 
steingar said:
This is so sad on so many levels. Flying an unairworthy aircraft with no experience in type or model. So utterly preventable with the application of the simplest and most common good sense.
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I often drive by the crash site (it's right next to the road, and a few feet from a historic farmhouse) and remind myself of the dangers of ego and overconfidence. His actions represented a blatant disregard for his safety and that of his passenger.

To top it off, the evidence cited in the report make it sound like the fuel system wasn't even configured correctly.
 
It's idiots like that guy who make it dang near impossible to get insurance in BE-18s.

It's one thing to kill yourself in pure stupidity....sad when you take someone with you who probably didn't know any better.
 
The more I think about this, the angrier I get - with zero time in type, this imbecile more than likely was completely uninsured, meaning that his family is potentially suffering even more if the student's family sues. Dang lucky no one was killed or injured on the ground.
 
This one has some unfathomable facts

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20051209X01955&ntsbno=DFW06FA037&akey=1

The medical records revealed that the total flight time on the previous examination in 1984 to be the same as the 2005 medical examination. There was no evidence found to verify any flight time for the last 24 years

No maintenance had been performed on the right engine fuel injector servo. The fuel injector screen was removed from the fuel injector unit and found to be packed with a black ferrous material.

The aircraft was flown a total of approximately 15 hours in the past 10 years and was parked outside at two different airport ramps during the 10 year period. At the time of the ferry flight the aircraft was out-of-annual and the purpose of the flight was to relocate the airplane after the sale to have maintenance performed.

The pilot and two passengers sustained fatal injuries due to impact forces and post impact

There was discussion among the locals that the passengers on the plane were headed to another airport to pick up another plane before continuing on to the destination airport listed on the ferry permit. That other airport is basically in the opposite direction of the destination airport.

why do people do this :confused:
 
Steve said:
why do people do this :confused:
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Because they're stupid, and get too caught up in cool factors to remember that cool things can kill you, too.

"Oh, it's only this one time... it'll be fine..."
 
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