Dual nav radios no longer needed?

[arnoha]

There are the same number of buttons on the com only and com/nav GTR, so they make two of them multi function, which requires an extra press. Not a big deal., but not nothing. I'm a fan of simplicity.

The audio panel is more intuitive to use with the touchscreen. The transponder is as well, with an onscreeen keyboard, although there's really not much difference. I think we'll end up with a discrete transponder though as for whatever reason Garmin charges $1k extra for the remote version. I like the clean look of the panel, but there's really not much difference either way. We do want to keep everything in one stack to reserve the right side for an iPad mount.

You don't need the remote units for that. The full panel units can also be remotely controlled by the 750. In my plane, the GTX345 is full panel, but it's completely controllable from my 750. If you've got the panel space, there's little reason to go remote.

 

[flyingcheesehead]

You don't need the remote units for that. The full panel units can also be remotely controlled by the 750. In my plane, the GTX345 is full panel, but it's completely controllable from my 750. If you've got the panel space, there's little reason to go remote.

Kinda. If you have the full units, the transponder can be controlled from the 750, but the audio panel can't. I never really make use of that functionality, so I just have a spot that shows me my squawk on the 750, and 4 extra user data fields where the audio panel controls would go.

 

[arnoha]

Kinda. If you have the full units, the transponder can be controlled from the 750, but the audio panel can't. I never really make use of that functionality, so I just have a spot that shows me my squawk on the 750, and 4 extra user data fields where the audio panel controls would go.

Are you talking about the GMA 345 or the GMA 350? I believe the GMA 35 is most equivalent to the GMA 350. The 345 has hard pots for volume, which look incompatible with secondary controls, but the 350 looks to only have an encoder behind the knob.

I'll admit I'm still running my BK audio panel, so I was making what looks like it might be a bad assumption about the audio panel.

 

[flyingcheesehead]

Are you talking about the GMA 345 or the GMA 350? I believe the GMA 35 is most equivalent to the GMA 350. The 345 has hard pots for volume, which look incompatible with secondary controls, but the 350 looks to only have an encoder behind the knob.

I have the 350c (the version of the 350 with Bluetooth). I love it, and the voice control abilities really make it fast to get around the GTN 750, but we can't control it from the GTN.

I'd love to be proven wrong... Ideally, I'd like the GTN to control the audio panel but NOT the transponder (opposite of how it is now). I haven't used the transponder control yet, so it's really just taking up space. I would love to be able to make use of the GTN to control some functions of the audio panel, because they're not at all intuitive. I like having the Com, Mic, etc buttons separately, but things like bluetooth pairing and various other mode selections are get-out-the-manual events that I'm sure work better when using the 750.

I really do like having the extra data fields up top, though, so I'd rather not have remote control of both.

 

[John Myers]

You don't need the remote units for that. The full panel units can also be remotely controlled by the 750. In my plane, the GTX345 is full panel, but it's completely controllable from my 750. If you've got the panel space, there's little reason to go remote.

We have room for two stacks but would like to keep it to one, that would probably put us over the edge. We did do the panel mount transponder because it is cheaper, and I figure we might use the timer on it for something. You'd think the remote versions would be cheaper, but they aren't.

 

[Palmpilot]

This sort of thing seems to happen every two or three months in this part of the country. It's in effect from tomorrow through March 23rd, i.e., two weeks.

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2019/Mar/NTTR_19-03_(Revision_1)_GPS_Flight_Advisory.pdf

 

[John Myers]

This sort of thing seems to happen every two or three months in this part of the country. It's in effect from tomorrow through March 23rd.

It's ironic that the biggest source of GPS outages is testing for things that might cause a GPS outage. They do seem to plan these at convenient times (middle of the night) when most of us are sound asleep. Has anyone flown through one of these? Did you lose all GPS signal?

I also understand they give ATC the ability to shut down the test in an emergency.

 

[John Myers]

I have the 350c (the version of the 350 with Bluetooth). I love it, and the voice control abilities really make it fast to get around the GTN 750, but we can't control it from the GTN.

I'd love to be proven wrong... Ideally, I'd like the GTN to control the audio panel but NOT the transponder (opposite of how it is now). I haven't used the transponder control yet, so it's really just taking up space. I would love to be able to make use of the GTN to control some functions of the audio panel, because they're not at all intuitive. I like having the Com, Mic, etc buttons separately, but things like bluetooth pairing and various other mode selections are get-out-the-manual events that I'm sure work better when using the 750.

I really do like having the extra data fields up top, though, so I'd rather not have remote control of both.

I like the idea of the data fields. Do you know if you have a #1 750 and a #2 650 below it if you can have the 650 not show the transponder, etc. and instead put some data fields there?

 

[flyingcheesehead]

I like the idea of the data fields. Do you know if you have a #1 750 and a #2 650 below it if you can have the 650 not show the transponder, etc. and instead put some data fields there?

The 650 doesn't show the transponder/audio panel info in the first place, you need the 750 for that. So there isn't extra room... But if you had a 750 and a 650, and the 750 was controlling a remote transponder and audio panel, you would still have 8 data fields available (4 each on the 650 and the 750, in the corners of the map).

With the transponder control enabled on our 750, we have the four fields in the corners of the map, plus four more where the audio panel controls would otherwise be. If we disabled the transponder controls (our transponder isn't remote), we would have two extra fields.

 

[John Myers]

The 650 doesn't show the transponder/audio panel info in the first place, you need the 750 for that. So there isn't extra room... But if you had a 750 and a 650, and the 750 was controlling a remote transponder and audio panel, you would still have 8 data fields available (4 each on the 650 and the 750, in the corners of the map).

With the transponder control enabled on our 750, we have the four fields in the corners of the map, plus four more where the audio panel controls would otherwise be. If we disabled the transponder controls (our transponder isn't remote), we would have two extra fields.

The image of the 650 on the Garmin site shows it with the transponder code on it on the right, I was wondering if, since that is also on the 750, we could use that space for something else.

 

[Ryan Klems]

The 650 doesn't show the transponder/audio panel info in the first place, you need the 750 for that. So there isn't extra room... But if you had a 750 and a 650, and the 750 was controlling a remote transponder and audio panel, you would still have 8 data fields available (4 each on the 650 and the 750, in the corners of the map).

With the transponder control enabled on our 750, we have the four fields in the corners of the map, plus four more where the audio panel controls would otherwise be. If we disabled the transponder controls (our transponder isn't remote), we would have two extra fields.

The 650 will show/control a remote transponder, but not the audio panel.

edit: scanning back through the manual, looks like all that comes to the 2nd unit over HSDB in a dual GTN situation, so I don't think you can turn it off.

 

[bnt83]

Yeah, I have a panel mount GTX-345 but its as far away from me as possible so I remote control it rather than reaching over.

 

[flyingcheesehead]

The 650 will show/control a remote transponder, but not the audio panel.

Aha, thanks for the correction.

edit: scanning back through the manual, looks like all that comes to the 2nd unit over HSDB in a dual GTN situation, so I don't think you can turn it off.

I think my avionics guy said that was a configurable item... But it's definitely not configurable by the end user.

I'm not sure if the 650 lets you put a data field where the transponder info goes.

 

[Palmpilot]

It's ironic that the biggest source of GPS outages is testing for things that might cause a GPS outage. They do seem to plan these at convenient times (middle of the night) when most of us are sound asleep. Has anyone flown through one of these? Did you lose all GPS signal?

I also understand they give ATC the ability to shut down the test in an emergency.

Much of the coverage area is in the Pacific time zone, so it will be 9:00 PM to midnight (based on daylight savings time which goes into effect tomorrow). I don't think you're guaranteed to see a problem, but I'd hate to be making a night flight through the Sierras relying solely on GPS during one of these NOTAMs.