Dorsal?

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Alright my CFI posed this question to me. "What is the dorsal fin on aircraft, many of which you have flown have had this" It is not the Rudder/Vertical stabilizer.
 
It is the fairing on the top of the fuselage which extends to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer.
 
Aircraft don't have dorsal fins, sharks do (along with dolphins and a few other aquatic vertebrates). Idiot CFIs.
 
What is a "Strake",
bonus points if you don't google
red star if you provide a pic
 
The C162 has a "dorsal fin" which was added to assist in spin recovery.....
 
What is a "Strake",
bonus points if you don't google
red star if you provide a pic
Inverted "V" shaped panels under the tail...

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A strake is a highly swept extension of the leading edge of the wing.
Seen here on the F-18. It extends forward from the wing along the fuselage and ends under the cockpit. It provides a bunch of lift at very high angles of attack. It uses the trapped vortex effect to create lift as opposed to the bernouli effect.



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Edit: Holy crap!! I can't figure out how to make it smaller.
 
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Below are photos of a ragwing C-170 (no dorsal) and C-170A (with dorsal). Former Cessna engineer and test pilot William Thompson wrote (Cessna - Wings for the World: The Single-Engine Development Story, p. 25):
The dorsal fin, borrowed from the C-195, was added to the C-170A to prevent abnormally large angles of yaw with full rudder deflection in flight. [...] In addition, an optional floatplane version was planned, and that would be even more critical in directional stability. To pass the test after release of full rudder pedal travel, the airplane would have to return to close to the original heading. The addition of the dorsal fin would not be noticeable to the pilot except for a slight deterioration in rudder control during taxi operations.
Dorsal fins were carried over into the C-172. The larger dorsal fin on the 1972 C-172L finally eliminated the elusive "pitch-down" phenomenon sometimes encountered in full-flap slips.

Dorsal fins can also look "cool" and are sometimes added for purely cosmetic reasons -- the 1972 and later PA-28 and PA-32 series, for example.

What is a "Strake",
bonus points if you don't google
red star if you provide a pic

Example on the Cessna Model 318 (T-37) -- in flight test, the tadpole-shaped forward fuselage created unwanted lift that impaired spin recovery, so strakes (third photo, circled in yellow) were added to modify the airflow. IIRC, the aerobatic Beech Musketeers also had strakes. Grumman American tested strakes and ventral fin on its AA-1B for a planned "spin package", as well.
 

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During the development and evolution of the P-51 it gained a dorsal fin.

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Stupid overloaded engineering terms!!!

Strakes can be infront of the wing leading edge, or under the rear end of the plane.

Chord can mean the length of a line connecting the leading edge of the airfoil and the trainling edge or it can mean the thickness of the airfoil measured vertically.
 
What is the term given to the flattened horizontal protrusions on either side of the SR71's nose?
 
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A-7s had strakes. In the ventral position...:ihih:

Dorsal is, for an airplane, on top.
 
Chines must be another one of those dual-purpose words since I learned that they were the flared edges of the nosewheel tires on some jets which are supposed to deflect water and/or slush to keep it from going back into the engines. I guess they look somewhat like the chines on the SR-71. :idea:

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Definitely!
That reminds me, here is another less common item on some a/c...this a large jet.
I bet there is no marine equivalent to this!

Look on the ground below and behind the device for a clue
 

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Definitely!
That reminds me, here is another less common item on some a/c...this a large jet.
I bet there is no marine equivalent to this!

Look on the ground below and behind the device for a clue

It's a convenient step for the TSA idiots! :wink2:
 
Cessna 172 dorsal question. Is it possible to add the larger dorsal from the L model to a K?
Seems like it would qualify since it is approved on a later model. (just like my 180hp conversion)
just wondering
 
During the development and evolution of the P-51 it gained a dorsal fin.

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The early "Razorback" P-51 A/B/C (though the aircraft in the pic looks like the A36 Apache) were stable in the yaw axis. The first D models had the cut down rear fuselage and bubble canopy and no dorsal fin. It was said to not "center" well after induced yaw and would wag badly at speed. A dorsal added to the top of the fuselage made up for the loss of side area and restored the handling.

Or so they say...

Chris in SHV
 
Funny you should mention that.

from

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51variants/P-51D.shtml

The cut-down back for the new bubble canopy lead to a loss of surface area. This caused the P-51D to have directional problems (especially with full fuel in the fuselage tank creating an aft CG) for all but the most proficient pilots. The solution was to add a fillet (often called the "dorsal fin") to the vertical stabilizer that extended down and towards the front. The fillet was also added to other P-51 models already in the field.

A couple of years ago at OSH one of the D model Mustangs brought in for judging (one of Max Chapman's) was restored w/o the dorsal fin and had photos on display from it's war service showing it in that configuration. I remember asking Max about it and he mentioned there was field mod package for the fin, but apparently it never got put on his.


The early "Razorback" P-51 A/B/C (though the aircraft in the pic looks like the A36 Apache) were stable in the yaw axis. The first D models had the cut down rear fuselage and bubble canopy and no dorsal fin. It was said to not "center" well after induced yaw and would wag badly at speed. A dorsal added to the top of the fuselage made up for the loss of side area and restored the handling.

Or so they say...

Chris in SHV
 
My 57 Apache (PA23) has the dorsal fin and fairings on the inboard sides of the engine cowling/wing intersection added... These additions bring the VMC down to the stall speed so that you are already mushing out of the sky before it offers to spin or roll inverted...

denny-o
 
Definitely!
That reminds me, here is another less common item on some a/c...this a large jet.
I bet there is no marine equivalent to this!

Look on the ground below and behind the device for a clue

Vortex disruptor for a gravel kit on the 737-Jurassic models.
 
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