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I know this question has been asked umpteen times, but I can't seem to find it:

Puppy in a plane. I want my dog to be my flying buddy. What precautions do I need to follow for the hearing?

Everskyward had a good suggestion too since I'm concerned a bit about the baggage door (probably just me being unfoundedly scared) and I will put wood or something across it in flight also incase it opens.

Any other precautions I should take?
 
SkyHog said:
I know this question has been asked umpteen times, but I can't seem to find it:

Puppy in a plane. I want my dog to be my flying buddy. What precautions do I need to follow for the hearing?

Everskyward had a good suggestion too since I'm concerned a bit about the baggage door (probably just me being unfoundedly scared) and I will put wood or something across it in flight also incase it opens.

Any other precautions I should take?
Mutt muffs for the ears and something absorbant on the seat that prevent leak throughs. You may actually want to consider a carrier that you can fit him in so that he does not get to where he should not be.
 
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smigaldi said:
Mutt muffs for the ears and something abosrbant on the seat that prevent leak throughs.
I concur. Pick up a set of Muff Mutts:
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smigaldi said:
Mutt muffs for the ears and something absorbant on the seat that prevent leak throughs. You may actually want to consider a carrier that you can fit him in so that he does not get to where he should not be.

A carrier would be a really good idea with a puppy to start with. I'd be real reluctant to try flying with a young dog outside a carrier without another human along to control the pup. As the dog gets a little more mature it would probalby be OK to let him be loose in the plane when you are otherwise by yourself.

Also as Ron Levy has pointed out many times, a dog's behavior in other vehicles (cars and boats) is a pretty good predictor of it's reaction to flying, so take the puppy on some bumpy car or boat rides first.
 
Nick, I would definitely consult with Ron Levy on this one; he is an accomplished dog-flyer (darned nice dog, too). You should get SkyDog (is that really going to be his name?) in the air for indoctrination sooner, rather than later,so it will be second nature.

Nice looking pup!
 
SCCutler said:
Nick, I would definitely consult with Ron Levy on this one; he is an accomplished dog-flyer (darned nice dog, too). You should get SkyDog (is that really going to be his name?) in the air for indoctrination sooner, rather than later,so it will be second nature.

Nice looking pup!

Yep ASAP. One of my cats I started walking on a leash when she was a kitten and had her drive with me in the car. As she grew it was no big deal to her and she loved driving and looking at the huge trucks, often running towards them to see them closer. That effectively stopped the walks for fear that she would run off and get run over. The only thing that failed was the toliet training, oh well:(
 
SCCutler said:
Nick, I would definitely consult with Ron Levy on this one; he is an accomplished dog-flyer (darned nice dog, too).

I certainly hope he pops in here to give advice, its usually priceless. Thanks to all for the suggestion on Mutt Muffs, I'm definitely getting a set.

You should get SkyDog (is that really going to be his name?) in the air for indoctrination sooner, rather than later,so it will be second nature.

Nice looking pup!

That's my plan. Get him up early and often. Don't know for sure if I'm gonna call him SkyDog. I like the name, but I don't want to embarrass him with a cheesy name, you know?

Thanks - I think he's cute too.
 
The baggage door thing is not an unfounded fear. I believe Rev. Ron has reported that it has happened. That would totally suck. Have fun with him Nick!
 
tonycondon said:
The baggage door thing is not an unfounded fear. I believe Rev. Ron has reported that it has happened. That would totally suck. Have fun with him Nick!

I hadn't even thought of that. Uggh! :(:(

I was thinking that since Nick has a Cherokee like me there is only a small flap of fabric that would prevent an animal from getting into the tail section and laying on the control cables.
 
tonycondon said:
The baggage door thing is not an unfounded fear. I believe Rev. Ron has reported that it has happened. That would totally suck. Have fun with him Nick!

I've never considered that. However I've yet to have a baggage door pop open. Most of the time, my Lab rides in the back seat and not the baggage area.
 
I've had the baggage door open multiple times.. I never notice until I land and get out of the airplane.. It always happens with C172s for some reason.

I have also never lost anything. The one time I seen the baggage door open and I about died...because I knew right in front of that door was my flight bag with my GPS and digital camera ($1,000 loss) ...It was still there.

Another reason to always fly coordinated and smooth.. You won't lose anything :)

If the door did open.. I could easily see a dog jumping out..which would be absolutely devistating.
 
jangell said:
I've had the baggage door open multiple times.. I never notice until I land and get out of the airplane.. It always happens with C172s for some reason.

I have also never lost anything. The one time I seen the baggage door open and I about died...because I knew right in front of that door was my flight bag with my GPS and digital camera ($1,000 loss) ...It was still there.

Another reason to always fly coordinated and smooth.. You won't lose anything :)

If the door did open.. I could easily see a dog jumping out..which would be absolutely devistating.

I don't think it'd bother me so much to know that I lost the dog, but rather, how the dog was lost, and how preventable it would have been. I'm shuddering right now just thinking of it.
 
i think the guy Ron spoke of was in a 150/2 so the dog was riding in baggage. I agree nick, the thought of the dog free falling just makes me shudder too. that would uber suck.

*note* Check baggage door when flying with Jesse, and dont put anything in baggage
 
jangell said:
I've had the baggage door open multiple times.. I never notice until I land and get out of the airplane.. It always happens with C172s for some reason.

I have also never lost anything. The one time I seen the baggage door open and I about died...because I knew right in front of that door was my flight bag with my GPS and digital camera ($1,000 loss) ...It was still there.

Another reason to always fly coordinated and smooth.. You won't lose anything :)

If the door did open.. I could easily see a dog jumping out..which would be absolutely devistating.

Assuming the door hinge is on the forward end of the door, I don't think any dog could push it open far enough to escape when you were in the air, but I suppose it could happen on the ground, nor do I believe anything larger than an inch could tumble out. The airstream against the door surface would provide plenty of force to hold it nearly shut.
 
lance, you are too used to going fast in the baron. 150's are slooooow.
 
First, re: Mutt Muffs, I think the expression on the face of the dog modeling them says it all.

As for general dog-flying advice...

My wife and I have flown with six different dogs of our own over the last 28 years. We find that a dog does in a plane exactly what it does in a car. If that includes barfing, be ready (or don't try it). If that includes barking continuously, be ready for that, too (including some comments from ATC if they hear a dog in the background). If that including racing around the vehicle like a maniac, put the dog in a travel container. If that includes hanging his head out the window and barking, either keep the window/canopy shut or be ready for stares and pointing while you taxi.

We've seen no indication that the noise bothers them, but I suppose that if you flew a lot with them, they could sustain the same type of hearing problems that pilots do without ear protection. I've never heard of dog headsets, although I have heard some folks put cotton in their dog's ears -- personally, I'd hate to try it on ours (remember the last time you had to give your dog medicine?), and anyway, I think they'd dig it out as fast as they could.

Tranquilizers have never seemed necessary for our beasts, but I'd say that if their behavior in the car is such that you couldn't stand it in the plane, you'd best trank them. But experiment with this - you'd be amazed how those things affect a dog, and how long it takes to a) take effect, and b) wear off. When we shipped two dogs on TWA from England to the U.S., the airline required them to be crated and tranquilized. The vet gave us pills, and suggested half a pill for each dog (and these were both retrievers – not small dogs) a couple of hours before flight. We gave the dogs the pills, and there was no immediate effect. About an hour later, the dogs, well, melted. They just slowly sank into a heap and z'd out. We got to the airport and tried to give them one last walk to drain the sumps before flight. They walked up to this fire plug outside the terminal that had obviously been used by many other dogs for the same purpose, and sniffed it intently. Then they tried to make their final salute to the British Empire – and were unable to get a leg up without collapsing. The poor beasts just stood there, looking sadly at the fire hydrant, and then at us, as if to say, "I really want to, but I just can't do it." It then took two of us to stuff the virtually limp dogs into their crates.

As far as crates/restraints, again – judge by car experience. If the dog moves around too much to stand in a plane, you’d best either crate or restrain them. There are a number of restraints available for automotive use, and they should work fine in the plane, although our Black Lab immediately sets to chewing through such restraints – she’s either loose or crated. The other point is that an unsecured dog can become a missile hazard. We were cruising along in IMC over BDR with our Chocolate Lab Chewbacca. He was curled up in the back, sound asleep (as he normally did in cruise flight). We hit a downdraft and dropped about 50 feet. I looked back as we dropped, and saw a) daylight between the dog and the floor, b) two big yellow eyes the size of dinner plates, and c) four legs splayed out trying to find something on which to hold. Shortly after the airplane stopped descending, the dog caught up with a thump. Chewie spent the rest of the flight wide awake, trying desperately to dig in and hang on to the floor.

Cats are a whole ‘nother story. The worst one I heard was a guy ferrying his wife’s cat from NY to Florida in a Bonanza. Somewhere over North Carolina the uncontained cat got spooked and went crazy, tearing all over the cabin, clawing/scratching/biting him. By the time he got on the ground (after declaring an emergency), there was blood everywhere – all his. No way any cat gets in my plane other than in one of those cat boxes.

As for the pressure changes, yes, I have noticed one effect. Some years back, we had Chewie in the back of the Cheetah as we climbed up to about 11,000 feet or so from sea level (summer day, looking for smooth air). We forgot how much methane gas is trapped in the digestive tract of a Labrador, and that the gas expands in volume as outside air pressure decreases, while the dog's gut is limited in size. Passing about 5000 he began to whimper and look uncomfortable. Passing about 8000 feet the smell hit us (gas only -- no solid waste). We turned around and he settling down, looking very satisfied. Fortunately, a Cheetah has a canopy that can be opened in flight, providing the necessary ventilation for us to survive.

The last couple of years, Duke, our Golden Retriever, has been my principal pooch passenger. He thoroughly enjoys going ANYwhere, and is a delight in the plane. When we arrive at the airport, he hops up on the wing, and goes right into the back seat where he sits up watching the world out the window until takeoff, and then sprawls across the back seats, snoozing until he feels the wheels go down. Then it’s back up to that beautiful Golden Retriever sitting position for landing, watching out the window until we stop, then out the door and down to see what there is new at this airport that he hasn’t seen before. But when we go back to the airplane, it’s hippity-up onto the wing, and he’s ready to fly again.

Of late, we have begun flying rescued Aussies for the Aussie Rescue Placement and Helpline (ARPH), making us the charter members of ARPHAir, of which Bill Greenburg is the only other pilot for now. In that situation, not knowing the dogs, we mount a crate in the back of the plane (Grumman 4-seaters have flop-down rear seats) and that's where they go. After an hour or so in cruise, if the dog is relaxed, we may open the gate for a bit of reassuring petting, but if any doubts arise, the dog stays locked up.
 
Cats, like dogs, act the same way in a plane as a car. If the cat is freaky in the car expect the same in the airplane. I tend to keep my cats in a carrier when moving them mostly because they are safer in sudden deceleration issues, I can also put a blanket in there for them to stay warm.

As for tranqualizing I really do not think that is a good idea. In the lower temp lower O2 environments of airplanes this puts a serious strain on their systems. I know many vets that do not recomend the practice.
 
Cool. Piper seems to like car rides. I've taken him to the gas station with me a few times, and once to petco, and he just nuzzles up against me, staying real calm. Wonder how he'll handle turbulence tho.
 
Ron Levy said:
The last couple of years, Duke, our Golden Retriever, has been my principal pooch passenger. He thoroughly enjoys going ANYwhere, and is a delight in the plane. When we arrive at the airport, he hops up on the wing, and goes right into the back seat where he sits up watching the world out the window until takeoff, and then sprawls across the back seats, snoozing until he feels the wheels go down. Then it’s back up to that beautiful Golden Retriever sitting position for landing, watching out the window until we stop, then out the door and down to see what there is new at this airport that he hasn’t seen before. But when we go back to the airplane, it’s hippity-up onto the wing, and he’s ready to fly again.

The enthusiasm for life in general of Golden Retrievers is something else, isn't it? I've known several over the years and they are my favorite breed. Such a happy face on those dogs. :D
 
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