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Speaking of justifying budgets. The defense budget should be clipped down to the amount they can prove in the last audit. That's 40% percent defense spending right off the bat if we go by the last audit.
 
I’m not sure if your story is about what DOGE could cut - or how DOGE itself will play out. I think there’s good odds for the latter, including people not wanting to put their time on DOGE on their resume. Kinda like some high-profile election stuff 8 years ago that suddenly went silent.
If I understand DOGE correctly, it has no power...It can't cut anything, all it can do is recommend. Implementation of some of its suggestions might be doable by executive order, but others will probably require legislative action. Republican majorities in both houses are slim; probably will be difficult to push through major changes. "Sound and fury signifying nothing...."

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One of the worst practices in my opinion is the idea or practice of using all of an allocated budget or lose it for next year. Wasteful spending incentivized.

It's a lazy way to budget. Agencies and subordinate orgs should be required to put forth a estimated budget each year, with the leadership of each organizational tier required to audit and approve these requests. There should also be an incentive structure to reward accurate forecasting and punish budgetary gluttonary (ie, "just give me all the money you can" and then wind up not needing it).

But all of that requires a higher level of accountability, a higher level of care and scrutiny, and ultimately, a higher level of leadership at all levels.

So we get left with the current "use it or lose it" system. That results in a LOT of waste. When I was at Dyess AFB, we had an entire storage closet FULL of flat-screen TVs still in boxes, completely unused...bought with "year-end money." At Little Rock AFB, one year our commander spent thousands of year-end unused funds on artwork for the squadron walls. I mean, the artwork was cool and all, but was it really necessary? The answer to that is "no."
 
It's a lazy way to budget. Agencies and subordinate orgs should be required to put forth a estimated budget each year, with the leadership of each organizational tier required to audit and approve these requests. There should also be an incentive structure to reward accurate forecasting and punish budgetary gluttonary (ie, "just give me all the money you can" and then wind up not needing it).

But all of that requires a higher level of accountability, a higher level of care and scrutiny, and ultimately, a higher level of leadership at all levels.

So we get left with the current "use it or lose it" system. That results in a LOT of waste. When I was at Dyess AFB, we had an entire storage closet FULL of flat-screen TVs still in boxes, completely unused...bought with "year-end money." At Little Rock AFB, one year our commander spent thousands of year-end unused funds on artwork for the squadron walls. I mean, the artwork was cool and all, but was it really necessary? The answer to that is "no."
One solutions is to simply maintain some kind of credit system where entities that return money back , get credited with that amount and then that “virtual” credit is used to prioritize any future requests for additional funds .
 
One solutions is to simply maintain some kind of credit system where entities that return money back , get credited with that amount and then that “virtual” credit is used to prioritize any future requests for additional funds .
Yeah, that's an idea. There's probably a number of good ideas that can be considered on how to overhaul the government budgetary process.
 
IMO the "use or lose" system sounds worse than it is. Everyone can come up with ridiculous examples, but most of the time I have seen it used to cover the myriad of legitimate unforseen needs that arise.

In a perfect world, military orgs would be able to accurately budget and execute accordingly. But the world isn't perfect. Things happen, and military units can't decline to operate because of budget shortfalls. Most military orgs have limited financial management capability, and senior leaders have more pressing responsibilities than micromanaging spending. The current system is a reasonable balance of mission and cost control.
 
I can tell you that, before COVID, you could walk into my local FSDO and they had full staff in the office and ask to speak with someone without an appointment. During COVID they went home and never came back.
After COVID, many got hired on by the airlines making magnitudes more than they made at the FAA and left without even returning to the office to pack up their mug.

It's also worth noting that many FSDOs cover a very large geographical area. Because of flexible work scheduling, ASIs can live closer to the operators they oversee, rather than the FAA cubicle.
 
Yeah, that's an idea. There's probably a number of good ideas that can be considered on how to overhaul the government budgetary process.
Indeed. They [Congress] can start by passing a budget, like they used to do. It's been 25+ years since they did that - they haven't done it this century! Without it, continuing resolutions have become the norm, which are prone to political grandstanding and government shutdowns.

I found interesting notes on this process here: https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/77948/last-real-us-budget-before-2023
 
I agree with this...
Things happen, and military units can't decline to operate because of budget shortfalls. Most military orgs have limited financial management capability, and senior leaders have more pressing responsibilities than micromanaging spending.

...but regarding...
The current system is a reasonable balance of mission and cost control.
...I have to say that failing seven consecutive audits and being unable to account for almost a trillion dollars is most certainly NOT a reasonable balance of mission and cost control.

We are not presently in a war, and a "damn the torpedoes, spend whatever it takes" approach is not appropriate for today's circumstance.

I'm not suggesting micromanaging a budget; at this point, I'd even settle for macromanaging. Taxpayers deserve a little better accountability from the military.
 
I agree with this...


...but regarding...

...I have to say that failing seven consecutive audits and being unable to account for almost a trillion dollars is most certainly NOT a reasonable balance of mission and cost control.

We are not presently in a war, and a "damn the torpedoes, spend whatever it takes" approach is not appropriate for today's circumstance.

I'm not suggesting micromanaging a budget; at this point, I'd even settle for macromanaging. Taxpayers deserve a little better accountability from the military.
I'm not addressing the overall DoD budget, just the O&M expenditures, which is where "use it or lose it" is normal practice.

I have 36 years of experience in or with DoD, and not once have I seen a "spend whatever it takes" approach. Quite the opposite. Everyone is scared shirtless of violating the anti-deficiency act. That is why "use or lose" happens. Everyone plans a buffer into their burn rate so they don't run over, then spends the last two weeks of September trying to get some value out of it. Usually those buys are not wasted; usually they are stuff that should have been bought earlier but whoever manages the budget was hedging their bets.
 
I’s settle for a balanced budget set off the previous year’s revenue.
But with entitlement spending on autopilot, and predicted to grow faster than GDP, it can't stay balanced but will consume the budget. When government spending grows faster than GDP, in the long term no amount of taxes can ever pay for it.
 
But with entitlement spending on autopilot, and predicted to grow faster than GDP, it can't stay balanced but will consume the budget. When government spending grows faster than GDP, in the long term no amount of taxes can ever pay for it.

A good point. Given the near impossibility of cutting entitlement spending, the question must become how best to accelerate GDP growth.
 
But with entitlement spending on autopilot, and predicted to grow faster than GDP, it can't stay balanced but will consume the budget. When government spending grows faster than GDP, in the long term no amount of taxes can ever pay for it.
Yup. I will say there’s some technical distinctions entitlements and mandatory spending

…Given the near impossibility of cutting entitlement spending...
Nothing is impossible in politics and laws can he changed. I’d argue the incoming administration is in a unique place with no ability to get re-elected. A rare opportunity exists to butcher sacred cows.
 
A good point. Given the near impossibility of cutting entitlement spending, the question must become how best to accelerate GDP growth.
I believe the strategy is to include government in the gdp and just grow that.
 
Idk, but with all the world events that are happening, a complete gutting and restructuring of long established government departments seems to me bad timing..not meant as polititical by any means, I’m an independent and vote for whom I think will do the least amount of damage to the freedoms I grew up with, but right now there has to be some level of tact to not jeopardize national saftey, and the major nations of the world are on a hair trigger. WW-III is not something I want to experience. A lot of governance is much deeper than the evening “entertainment” news talking points.
 
A good point. Given the near impossibility of cutting entitlement spending, the question must become how best to accelerate GDP growth.
Even that won’t solve the problem of entitlements. The SS funding system is fatally flawed - alwasy has been, and always will be. The problem is demographics. Unless everyone retirement eligibility moves back to the original plan assumptions (average 3-4 years of retirement) AND we return to a net population growth trend similar to what we saw in the 1950s, it cannot be solvent without continual tax increases and/or benefit cuts.

It’s the government equivalent of a Ponzi scheme, and with lifespans that go decades beyond our working years, it is simply unsustainable as it is designed.
 
As someone who is still on active duty and currently flying a desk in a headquarters building, I can confirm that keeping expenses as low as possible and being a good steward of money is a major concern. Maybe there are some places in the DoD where they're diving into swimming pools of cash, but my experience throughout most of my career is that every dollar is scrutinized with justification required, and rarely enough to meet mission demand. Would be great if we could have longer term baseline funding approved in 5-year increments (maintenance, upkeep, and day-to-day ops) with the bigger ticket discretionary stuff debated and approved separately. Budget instability (especially piecemeal continuing resolutions) makes long-term planning very difficult and results in budget weirdness like the end-of-year requisitions.

On topic, in terms of efficiency at the FAA, I think it would be worthwhile to take a hard look at processes to see where the unnecessary delays are. There would also need to be an acceptance of risk at higher levels in government (and in society) as the current system trades time for safety. In my own field of expertise, the medical waiver system needs an overhaul. If medical conditions are getting waivered more than 95% of the time, then the question needs to be asked whether a waiver is actually necessary, or whether a clearance could be pushed down to the AME level (trusting their judgement but accepting additional risk from reduced oversight). In my opinion, with appropriate guidance, probably 90% of medical cases could be pushed down and approved at the AME level for 3rd class, BasicMed, and light-sport medicals. For commercial passenger service or heavy iron, continued FAA Med oversight would still be appropriate (and hopefully vastly faster after the removal of most GA inquiries).
 
As someone who is still on active duty and currently flying a desk in a headquarters building, I can confirm that keeping expenses as low as possible and being a good steward of money is a major concern.
I don't think anybody suggests otherwise at the lower levels.

The issue is much higher-level. Decisions like base closures, systems procurement, inventory replenishment, etc., are made by Congress, often against clear requests and guidance from the Pentagon. When district-level pork-barrel deal-making forces you you spend billions to keep an unnecessary facility open or purchase 10x what is actually needed of a given munitions system, we end up with the truly necessary functions being squeezed for pennies while we fritter cash away on other programs that should be tossed aside.

On topic, in terms of efficiency at the FAA, I think it would be worthwhile to take a hard look at processes to see where the unnecessary delays are. There would also need to be an acceptance of risk at higher levels in government (and in society) as the current system trades time for safety. In my own field of expertise, the medical waiver system needs an overhaul. If medical conditions are getting waivered more than 95% of the time, then the question needs to be asked whether a waiver is actually necessary, or whether a clearance could be pushed down to the AME level (trusting their judgement but accepting additional risk from reduced oversight). In my opinion, with appropriate guidance, probably 90% of medical cases could be pushed down and approved at the AME level for 3rd class, BasicMed, and light-sport medicals. For commercial passenger service or heavy iron, continued FAA Med oversight would still be appropriate (and hopefully vastly faster after the removal of most GA inquiries).
Be careful. This is a very dangerous line of thought. It actually makes sense - too much sense for it to ever be acted upon.
 
I’s settle for a balanced budget set off the previous year’s revenue.
So on January 1 I need to set my budget for the rest of the year based on data from Dec 31?

Or do you mean from two years ago?
 
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On topic, in terms of efficiency at the FAA, I think it would be worthwhile to take a hard look at processes to see where the unnecessary delays are. There would also need to be an acceptance of risk at higher levels in government (and in society) as the current system trades time for safety. In my own field of expertise, the medical waiver system needs an overhaul. If medical conditions are getting waivered more than 95% of the time, then the question needs to be asked whether a waiver is actually necessary, or whether a clearance could be pushed down to the AME level (trusting their judgement but accepting additional risk from reduced oversight). In my opinion, with appropriate guidance, probably 90% of medical cases could be pushed down and approved at the AME level for 3rd class, BasicMed, and light-sport medicals. For commercial passenger service or heavy iron, continued FAA Med oversight would still be appropriate (and hopefully vastly faster after the removal of most GA inquiries).
^^^ This

One of my favorite Musk quotes is where he defines the most common mistake an engineer makes as optimizing an unneeded process. Sure, eliminating a step entirely might add some risk, but you save a lot of time and expense with a little risk tolerance. Especially when the data set shows no measurable benefit.

Eliminating the Class 3 medical entirely and replacing it with an actual doctor exam is a good example me thinks, and arguably actually reducing risk.
 
Agree with the last half, not so much with the one before it. In my career in the space industry I worked only one program that took less than two years from start to launch. It was a set of microsatellites, each smaller than a box of Kleenex.
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Everything else was multiyear, from two and a half years to ten plus years in the case of the Space Station. Would not have been possible to drop everything every two years to re-justify the program; there's no advantage in cutting a decade-long development program into two-year chunks. If you want efficiency, you need stability.

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Actually you still want zero based budgets so you have to show you need the money, and the progress was being made to the goals that were set. If you keep feeding in money without milestones and goals you have the very definition of waste.

Stability means keep showing progress.


SpaceX only needed 4.5 years to go from paper idea to complete and functioning rocket (Falcon 9) and did it for $300million.

I would say that the ISS is a prime example of bad management. Skylab took less than 7 years. MIR took about 8 years. The ISS took 9 years just on paper, then another 12 years to build the FIRST module.

Heck the Chinese only took 10 years to get THEIR space station from paper to orbit.
 
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IMO the "use or lose" system sounds worse than it is. Everyone can come up with ridiculous examples, but most of the time I have seen it used to cover the myriad of legitimate unforseen needs that arise.

In a perfect world, military orgs would be able to accurately budget and execute accordingly. But the world isn't perfect. Things happen, and military units can't decline to operate because of budget shortfalls. Most military orgs have limited financial management capability, and senior leaders have more pressing responsibilities than micromanaging spending. The current system is a reasonable balance of mission and cost control.
I worked both sides of the ledger. In the Navy as a 'consumer' (ie using all the parts bought) and as a contractor for BAE that put the submarines refit packages together. Money never entered the equation. If Raytheon said its time for X to be replaced it just got replaced. If GE said there's a new revision of test kits for reactor chemistry testing it was added.

DIdn't the new just report that the DoD can't account form $800 BILLION dollars... each year for the last 8 years? If a General/Admiral can't keep his books in order then he should be fired.
 
So on January 1 I need to set my budget for the rest of the year based on data from Dec 31?

Or do you mean from two years ago?

At the federal level, Fiscal Years start Oct 1, with budget submissions (theoretically) due before calendar year revenue is collected, so the FY26 budget which starts in CY25 could only have validated revenue data from CY24.
 
SpaceX only needed 4.5 years to go from paper idea to complete and functioning rocket (Falcon 9) and did it for $300million.
The Falcon 9 was a great success, but not quite that good. NASA provided 278M, which I suspect is where the 300M came from, but in total was 423M (550M in 2024 dollars). And it took more like ten years, because the Falcon 1 was an R&D stepping stone to the 9.

Further, since everyone is excited about the resusable stuff lately, the reusable Falcon 9 was closer to 2B.
 
I do think we should carry our “fair load” - which may or may not be our “full load”. I think user fees would likely do more harm than good, by disincentivizing flying currency. But I think the tax on fuel is the most sensible way right now and could be tweaked as appropriate.

Heaven forbid we “third party” the FAA. Every time that happens - camping reservations at National Parks, toll roads, whatever - they seem more “efficient” but user costs also seem to go up considerably, in my experience. The profit for the company comes from somewhere and it’s not just “improved effiefficiency"
User fees will impede safety by making it more costly to flight plan or maintain currency. My experience with privatizing public services is that they now longer serve the public, but rather prioritize earning profits. Markets do a poor job of delivering inelastic goods, or goods and services where there is no real competition.

Fuel taxes are an amazingly efficient and relatively painless way of funding public aviation services.

I would worry about what happens to GA infrastructure if the AIP is slashed. Airports don't build or repair themselves, and most communities can afford to do it with local tax base funds.
 
When your engine goes out and you need to put it down, knowing how to manage your glide and land it at the slowest possible speed without a stall is the main benefit of being proficient at a slow flight.
Slow flight is WAY below Vg, and landing at the slowest possible speed is quite different from flying at the slowest possible speed.
 
On topic, in terms of efficiency at the FAA, I think it would be worthwhile to take a hard look at processes to see where the unnecessary delays are. There would also need to be an acceptance of risk at higher levels in government (and in society) as the current system trades time for safety. In my own field of expertise, the medical waiver system needs an overhaul. If medical conditions are getting waivered more than 95% of the time, then the question needs to be asked whether a waiver is actually necessary, or whether a clearance could be pushed down to the AME level (trusting their judgement but accepting additional risk from reduced oversight). In my opinion, with appropriate guidance, probably 90% of medical cases could be pushed down and approved at the AME level for 3rd class, BasicMed, and light-sport medicals. For commercial passenger service or heavy iron, continued FAA Med oversight would still be appropriate (and hopefully vastly faster after the removal of most GA inquiries).

As a government bureaucrat (I are one), there is no benefit to additional risk. There is no profit, either for the government or the individual, so why take on the risk. No one wants the blood on their hands. If anything, the big government is becoming even more risk adverse than ever. That is why regulations continue to increase, not decrease.
 
I would say that the ISS is a prime example of bad management. Skylab took less than 7 years. MIR took about 8 years. The ISS took 9 years just on paper, then another 12 years to build the FIRST module.

Heck the Chinese only took 10 years to get THEIR space station from paper to orbit.
And what is the difference between all of those?

International. Agreeing who was going to pay for what probably took more time and effort than anything else with the ISS. And then we ended up building copies of all of the stuff the Russians were supposed to build because they were still unreliable.
 
As a government bureaucrat (I are one), there is no benefit to additional risk. There is no profit, either for the government or the individual, so why take on the risk. No one wants the blood on their hands. If anything, the big government is becoming even more risk adverse than ever. That is why regulations continue to increase, not decrease.
I think that's generally true, although the existence of BasicMed suggests that some level of risk tolerance exists at the higher levels of leadership. The carnage we're willing to accept on our roads as the price of the minimal training and relative freedoms of driving in the USA are another. The benefits to the individual, at least, would be tremendous if it changes a 1-2 year wait into walking out with a CACI issuance. I think that BasicMed has been a wonderful success, despite some reservations expressed a few years back by some aeromedical colleagues at the FAA.

Within military aerospace medicine, there's a continual discussion of what levels of risk we (and ultimately, the unit COs) can accept in the pursuit of mission completion. Obviously the risks accepted in a shooting war usually wouldn't be acceptable in training, but we certainly accept risk (and lose people and aircraft) even with daily ops. So I suppose the calculus for the FAA would be the increased risks of pushing down medical issuances versus the benefits (likely political) to someone or some entity which has a controlling influence on the FAA. Congress was that entity for BasicMed and would probably have to also be the entity for any directive to reduce wait times via improved processes. I don't have any faith that a white paper thrown in the direction of DOGE would result in such a change, but it's entertaining to at least think through the ways in which we might improve the current processes.
 
The carnage we're willing to accept on our roads as the price of the minimal training and relative freedoms of driving in the USA are another.
I mean, the "carnage" on the roads is still 5-10 times safer than small plane GA when talking about autos. Motorcycles are similar to GA and everybody thinks they are death machines. If that was your point, apologies for missing it.
 
I mean, the "carnage" on the roads is still 5-10 times safer than small plane GA when talking about autos. Motorcycles are similar to GA and everybody thinks they are death machines. If that was your point, apologies for missing it.
Motorcycles are 27 times more dangerous than cars according to stats. Our flying safety is almost entirely up to us. We chose our level of training and what we fly and when and where we fly. On the highway the best driver can be taken out by a texting idiot.
 
I mean, the "carnage" on the roads is still 5-10 times safer than small plane GA when talking about autos. Motorcycles are similar to GA and everybody thinks they are death machines. If that was your point, apologies for missing it.
Sure, and yet there isn't any political impetus to heavily regulate motorcycle use despite the public perception that they're death-traps. In terms of fatality rate, autos are safer than GA aircraft and substantially less safe than airline transportation. In terms of absolute numbers, however, my point was that we accept the annual deaths of over forty thousand Americans in exchange for the speed limits, laws, and level of driver training we have. For example, the UK has a fairly rigorous process for obtaining a driver's license. In many (most?) American states, required driver training is relatively minimal, after which you can drive essentially anything up to a bus-sized RV with just a regular DL. This is reflected in the US having nearly double the per-mile fatality rate compared to the UK. We could absolutely reduce this number with requirements for stringent initial training (and, frankly, recurrent driver training akin to a flight review every five years) but our leadership at the state and federal levels accept the risk because the political cost of reducing it is too great. People would scream bloody murder at the thought of recurrent driver training.

For the FAA, agree that acceptance of additional risk is unlikely because it doesn't benefit them. A possible driving force for change would be Congress deciding that the pilot shortage is a national imperative and the FAA process is a roadblock to getting people in the air. If enough people were affected and complained to their congress-critter, it's conceivable. The reality is that this would likely never happen, and the shortage is being addressed by bringing more applicants (via increased wages at airlines and things like academies) so that the folks stuck in the waiver system become less relevant.
 
Motorcycles are 27 times more dangerous than cars according to stats.
I've never seen a number that large. Do you remember where you read it?

Our flying safety is almost entirely up to us. We chose our level of training and what we fly and when and where we fly. On the highway the best driver can be taken out by a texting idiot.
Motorcycle safety is mostly up the rider as well. Something like 75% of of motorcycle accidents are single vehicle or motorcycle at fault.
 
"Requiring federal employees to come to the office five days a week would result in a wave of voluntary terminations that we welcome: If federal employees don’t want to show up, American taxpayers shouldn’t pay them for the Covid-era privilege of staying home."

Whelp, looks like I'm looking for a new job then. No way they're going to drag me back to the city five days a week. Logical fallacy in equating work from home with "not showing up". I can do my job perfectly fine from my own desk, thanks very much. If they were really after cost savings they'd get rid of a ton of the office building square footage instead and let us work from home.
 
... Motorcycle safety is mostly up the rider as well. Something like 75% of of motorcycle accidents are single vehicle or motorcycle at fault.
Motorcycle safety is in part up to the rider - don't be stupid, ride like you're invisible and everyone's trying to kill you. But I wouldn't say "mostly" up to the rider. The fact remains that at any time, a careless driver can kill you in ways that you cannot predict or prevent. This is different from aviation, where your safety is indeed mostly in your own hands. Other people's mistakes (whether pilots or ATC) can kill you, but those situations are less common, your fate is more in your own hands.
 
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