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Are there any O-300 installations with constant speed props? Is such a thing even possible?
Are there any O-300 installations with constant speed props? Is such a thing even possible?
Yes
thee are several constant speed applications for the 0-300 and the GO-300
I have a friend with an early skyhawk (O-300), with a hydraulically controllable two pitch propellor.....
§ 61.129 Aeronautical experience.
(a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—
(ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
Are there any O-300 installations with constant speed props? Is such a thing even possible?
Despite the lack of a hollow crank or other capability to put on a hydraulic prop, the Hoffman MT electric prop would be an option. The only issue would be finding enough folks who want to spend $10K plus installation to make the STC worth developing.
I knew right were you were going with that question, because I've looked into it myself. If there were thousands of Swifts sitting around, it would be nice to pick up a run-out 145hp and install one of the 4-cylinder Lycoming STCs.
Of course finding a straight and sound Swift is getting hard these days, and people tend to think a fixer-upper is worth 95% of the price of a clean one. I guess with clean 150+ hp Swifts selling for $75K+, maybe you could come close to breaking even if you did an engine swap. I've never seen an STC for the variable-pitch O-300, though.
It's a funny thing, but it's pretty darn hard to find a clean 60-year-old airplane. And if you do, it's going to be expensive, even if the engine has some time on it. Every time I've entertained my Swift fantasy, I've had a hard time justifying it over a new RV-7 or -8.
Want to start a 2-plane, 2-man flying club with a nice, green C140 and a 210 Swift? I'm game!
Despite the lack of a hollow crank or other capability to put on a hydraulic prop, the Hoffman MT electric prop would be an option. The only issue would be finding enough folks who want to spend $10K plus installation to make the STC worth developing.
Kent,
I knew right were you were going with that question, because I've looked into it myself. If there were thousands of Swifts sitting around, it would be nice to pick up a run-out 145hp and install one of the 4-cylinder Lycoming STCs.
Of course finding a straight and sound Swift is getting hard these days, and people tend to think a fixer-upper is worth 95% of the price of a clean one. I guess with clean 150+ hp Swifts selling for $75K+, maybe you could come close to breaking even if you did an engine swap. I've never seen an STC for the variable-pitch O-300, though.
It's a funny thing, but it's pretty darn hard to find a clean 60-year-old airplane. And if you do, it's going to be expensive, even if the engine has some time on it. Every time I've entertained my Swift fantasy, I've had a hard time justifying it over a new RV-7 or -8.
Want to start a 2-plane, 2-man flying club with a nice, green C140 and a 210 Swift? I'm game!
Matthew
I think I mentioned this before but... Find an IFR swift with a controllable prop that you want to share and I'll mortgage my house. Tony will be here this spring and we can do our instrument and commercial ratings with him. He'll work for Twizzlers.
Thanks Tom...
Now, I'm wondering in relation to the Swift. What are the chances I'd be able to add a CS prop to a 145hp O-300 equipped Swift via 337? How much would such an undertaking cost? (I'd be perfectly happy with a used prop/hub and I'd guess a new spinner would have to be part of the package too?)
Of course, a nice new 3-blade MT composite prop (lighter) would be nice too, if one of theirs is compatible...
NO chance. read my post. Charlie Melot Zephyr Aircraft Engines
I think Johnny Cash said "with an adaptor kit we'll make it fit."
I think that you need to really add some power. Maybe a PT6? That should give you some nice climb performance!
~ Christopher
NO chance. read my post. Charlie Melot Zephyr Aircraft Engines
See http://www.mt-propeller.com/ for more.What type of prop is that?
Both!Is it a "two pitch" propeller? Or a two bladed propeller?
~ Christopher
I think I mentioned this before but... Find an IFR swift with a controllable prop that you want to share and I'll mortgage my house. Tony will be here this spring and we can do our instrument and commercial ratings with him. He'll work for Twizzlers.
Lowell here at 3M3 is selling his Magic One:
If I had some extra cash laying around, this is a nice plane.
Depends on the purpose. If your purpose is point-to-point transportation, then an IFR C-150 is probably not a good use of your money unless the points aren't too far apart and you only fly solo. If your purpose is instrument training, it might be a good choice.Isn't that kind of a small airplane for IFR? Yes, I know you can have a 150 etc. IFR certified, but doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
He hasn't extolled to you the virtues of living in a VW?sounds good.
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just dont default on the mortgage. there isnt room in the travel trailer for both of us
What is "the" purpose of IFR that requires a larger airplane? Obviously if you're trying to carry your family of 6, a Swift isn't going to work, but if you're travelling alone or in pairs (without making slinkety soundsI know that this question will probably get me flogged on this thread, but:
Isn't that kind of a small airplane for IFR? Yes, I know you can have a 150 etc. IFR certified, but doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
~ Christopher
I know that this question will probably get me flogged on this thread, but:
Isn't that kind of a small airplane for IFR? Yes, I know you can have a 150 etc. IFR certified, but doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
~ Christopher
IMHO the best engine mod is the TSIO 360-KB off the nose of the Piper Arrow, constant speed and all.
but be ready for a nose heavy aircraft that when you think brakes, your up on the mains before you can believe it.
Friend of mine in AWO has one and he says he see speeds of 240k with it at 5000'.
Despite the lack of a hollow crank or other capability to put on a hydraulic prop, the Hoffman MT electric prop would be an option. The only issue would be finding enough folks who want to spend $10K plus installation to make the STC worth developing.
Mr. Shook,
Thank you very much for your interest in the electro propeller offered by MT
Propeller USA. Unfortunately our hub system does not work on the tapered
shaft of the TCM O-300. Therefore we can not offer you a propeller for this
aircraft.
Tom, do you know this airplane?Here is one ready to go with 0-300- and 2 speed prop. and cute
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_...p=falsexxxxxsearchid=13844842xxxxxregionid=-1
0-300 doesn't have a tapered shaft.. it has a flange of 2 varieties, 6 hole and 8 hole depandant upon the model number C-145s that you find in the swifts will have the the 6 hole. the 0-300-D will have the 8 hole.Well, I finally got word back from MT:
Doh! Tapered shaft?
Oh well...
Tom, do you know this airplane?