Cost sharing with a CFI...

[cowman]

Am I right in thinking that on a flight where a CFI holding a commercial certificate is PIC, all the rules about cost sharing for private pilots are no longer an issue since the CFI will have a commercial certificate?

Eg.. pilot is stuck away from home and needs a ride so he offers to cover some student's hour of airplane rental to make his home airport part of the lesson.

 

[Jaybird180]

A student can accept a gift from a CFI. Private pilot may not.

 

[Mike5250]

Same "topic" but different situation..... What if a CFI and private pilot decide to share costs and fly together. Can the private pilot log as PIC and the CFI log as dual given? If it is over 50nm I assume only the PIC/pp could log cross country time.

 

[nimdabew]

Pro rata share. But I am a CFI and I get paid to fly. I don't go out of my way to pay for flight time anymore. Friends, family, sure.

 

[nimdabew]

Can the private pilot log as PIC and the CFI log as dual given? If it is over 50nm I assume only the PIC/pp could log cross country time.

CFI logs dual given if he gives instruction.

Look at 61.1 under cross country.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Am I right in thinking that on a flight where a CFI holding a commercial certificate is PIC, all the rules about cost sharing for private pilots are no longer an issue since the CFI will have a commercial certificate?

No. A commercial pilot certificate allows a commercial pilot to receive compensation for certain flight activities. The typical cost-sharing situation - a flight by two or more to a mutual destination - is not one of those that changes.

Eg.. pilot is stuck away from home and needs a ride so he offers to cover some student's hour of airplane rental to make his home airport part of the lesson.

Are you saying the instructor is allowing the student to fly home as part of the lesson and the CFI is not charging for that portion of the time and the CFI's flight to return the aircraft to base? If so, I personally don't see a problem with it but not because of some special instructor exception to 61.113.

 

[labbadabba]

I've split time with my CFI in the past. He's time building and I'm working towards my IR.

 

[TUPilot]

Am I right in thinking that on a flight where a CFI holding a commercial certificate is PIC, all the rules about cost sharing for private pilots are no longer an issue since the CFI will have a commercial certificate?

Eg.. pilot is stuck away from home and needs a ride so he offers to cover some student's hour of airplane rental to make his home airport part of the lesson.

The Commercial certificate does squat to change anything. However when two appropriately rated pilots fly together there is no issue as long as the designated PIC pays at least their pro-rata share. If your CFI wants to pay for 75% that is fine as long as they are PIC.

Commercial certificates open up fewer options than people expect. You really need to be employed by someone else or have a air carrier certificate to do away with the pro-rata rule when carrying passengers. Even simple sightseeing requires approval from the FAA and adherence to specific regulations unless you are paying your pro-rata share!

 

[cowman]

Are you saying the instructor is allowing the student to fly home as part of the lesson and the CFI is not charging for that portion of the time and the CFI's flight to return the aircraft to base? If so, I personally don't see a problem with it but not because of some special instructor exception to 61.113.

The scenario I was thinking of was a possibility today but weather as is often the case is adjusting the plan....

The scenario is I need to drop off my airplane at another airport for maintenance that will take more than a day. 1.8 hours for my wife to come get me by car then back. So, I offer to pay some portion of a student's rental cost to make my home airport the destination for the lesson and get home in 45 minutes without making her go out of her way.

I thought maybe a CFI's commercial ticket might change the rules a bit, but from what you guys are saying it doesn't.

 

[poadeleted20]

Am I right in thinking that on a flight where a CFI holding a commercial certificate is PIC, all the rules about cost sharing for private pilots are no longer an issue since the CFI will have a commercial certificate?

That is pretty much true as long as it's a legitimate training flight.

Eg.. pilot is stuck away from home and needs a ride so he offers to cover some student's hour of airplane rental to make his home airport part of the lesson.

Not sure about that unless the student pays the full cost of the leg without the instructor aboard, as that leg is not a legitimate training flight with the instructor acting as PIC.

 

[poadeleted20]

Same "topic" but different situation..... What if a CFI and private pilot decide to share costs and fly together. Can the private pilot log as PIC and the CFI log as dual given? If it is over 50nm I assume only the PIC/pp could log cross country time.

Depends on whether or not the instructor is giving the PP training. If yes, then it's PIC time for both (assuming the PP is rated in the aircraft, not a PP-ASEL with a CFI-AMEL in a twin), and instruction received for the PP, and XC time for both. However, if the instructor is not giving training, then the PP flying the plane logs PIC and XC, and that's all that is logged.

 

[poadeleted20]

The scenario is I need to drop off my airplane at another airport for maintenance that will take more than a day. 1.8 hours for my wife to come get me by car then back. So, I offer to pay some portion of a student's rental cost to make my home airport the destination for the lesson and get home in 45 minutes without making her go out of her way.

You can certainly pay for the aircraft time on the leg on which you're in the plane and actively giving instruction (you're PIC and logging PIC time), but you can't pay a penny towards the leg on which you are not in the plane.

I thought maybe a CFI's commercial ticket might change the rules a bit, but from what you guys are saying it doesn't.

It's the CFI ticket which changes things some (and only when actually instructing), not the CP ticket.

 

[nosehair]

A flight instructior is not paid to fly. He is not using his Commercial Certificate to get paid. He is using his CFI to be paid. The Commercial Certificate is only a requirement to hold and use to CFI. Students are not pax or cargo.
OTH, persons who have access (rental/owner) to the airplane can hire the Commercial Pilot, as a private corporate pilot, to fly him or his airplane.