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Chemistry has a good bit of math required.
Less than Physics or Engineering. More than Biology.
Chemistry has a good bit of math required.
As I mentioned in the previous thread, in hiring I consider degrees to fall into two buckets: "trade school" and "other." A trade school degree actually prepares you to do something useful. Law, accounting, engineering, licensed teaching, etc. fall into this category.
You totally miss my point. Let me try again. There are two classes of bachelor/undergraduate degrees:In the US trade schools are vocational educations ...
We may have to agree to disagree on this. It matters quite a bit in terms of opportunity and pay whether you get a degree in engineering or a degree in art history, for example. The point I was trying to make to the OP is that he should look for "trade school" degrees in fields that are of interest to him and avoid "other" degrees that do not directly equip him with marketable skills.... The reality is unless it's a predecessor for one of these professional degrees it doesn't matter what you get your undergraduate in. ...
That's pretty weird; the kind of nutty thing that only unions and government would do IMO. Am I guessing right?... In my industry I'm able to use a 1-1 conversion ratio on experience for education, so if the job requires a bachelors but they have 4 more years experience than the required amount (The are based on contractual agreements) then I'm able to bring them on.
You totally miss my point.
We may have to agree to disagree on this. It matters quite a bit in terms of opportunity and pay whether you get a degree in engineering or a degree in art history, for example.
That's pretty weird; the kind of nutty thing that only unions and government would do IMO. Am I guessing right?
I have an MSEE and the coursework and prelim exams for a PhD in Computer Science; I often refer to this as my trade school training. Call it something else if you like.... Calling a professional or focused degree as a 'trade' and everything else as 'other' is bizarre. ...
That is frequently the case; I agree. But the OP is not asking about what matters 4-5 years into a job; he is asking what degrees are best in order to get a job. And not, presumably, a job at Starbucks.However once you're about 4-5 years into an industry or a particular job then the undergraduate degree you have really becomes a non-factor. ...
Actually I think the OP is looking for suggestions for a backup degree in case things don't work out as a pilot. If someone changes their mind more than about 10 years down the road, I think one degree is as good as the next. They might have the degree but no relevant experience.That is frequently the case; I agree. But the OP is not asking about what matters 4-5 years into a job; he is asking what degrees are best in order to get a job. And not, presumably, a job at Starbucks.
As an engineering student with a CPL, dont waste your money on a degree in soft sciences or liberal arts, they're completely useless degrees in this day and age (business too). If you have that much of a disdain for math that you cant do engineering, then do chemistry. Atleast if flying doesnt work out you aren't up sh*ts creek. FWIW when I graduate from engineering I'll have saved enough money from internships I'll be buying my own plane right away.
If you are 10000000000% sure you are only getting a job as a pilot, then yes any degree will do, but if you don't get a pilot job, a degree like polysci is only good at McDonalds
Or Comp Sci....learn a programming language or two or three. There will always be a demand for that.
+1 though I consider comp sci an engineering. The only majors that are in more demand than me at career fairs are comp sci majors.
Nothing wrong with a PoliSci degree, it is employable if the flying does not work out.
The Psychology degree is more difficult to find employment without a Graduate degree.
Good luck.
It really does not matter. The only benefit you would have is the ability to get a restricted atp with less flight hours if you were to get an aviation related degree from an FAA approved school. Other than that a degree is a degree and won't make a difference. I have flown with plenty crew members with degrees all over the board, even some things I have never even heard about before! The degree essentially shows work ethic and the ability and yearning to further your knowledge. That's what most places are looking at.
Political Science is an oxymoron.
Jim
I've bitched about this before, but many fire departments require (not request or prefer) a bachelor's level degree to become a firefighter - even if it has nothing to do with the job (and how many degrees would anyway). Dumb.
Nursing is a good major for those who want certainty of a decent job, but don't like math. If aviation doesn't work out, you can find a job literally anywhere, and it will pay at least as much as the median family income.
Well, a bachelors in fire-science would have something to do with the job.
What seems to be common in FDs is that you need a degree (any degree) to rise to Lt or above. 15 years ago in Hartford, CT , someone looked at the degrees people had submitted for promotion in HFD and it turned out that a number of them had purchased their diploma from the same degree printer in FL.
I do see some value in requiring people who rise to leadership positions in fire departments to obtain formal education in emergency management or fire science. But submitting a bachelors in english composition from Arizona State obtained online between calls probably doesn't add much to the qualification as a firefighter or fire officer.
Nursing is a good major for those who want certainty of a decent job, but don't like math. If aviation doesn't work out, you can find a job literally anywhere, and it will pay at least as much as the median family income.
Radiology Tech if you want to be in the medical field. No poop, blood, or puke.
They use the degree requirement, among other things, as a way to cut down the number of applications they receive. Seems arbitrary to me.
Yes, it does work that way. The guy doing the screening and interviewing most likely picks who they like.....and if he has the paper from big U.....guess who he's hiring?Oh, completely arbitrary and makes no sense. So you are going to choose the 22 year old english major over a 20yo kid who has been running calls with his local VFD since he is 16 and already has FF2 and EMT-I certifications.
Best degree on the planet is a philosophy, you can work at any coffee shop in the world with that.
LOL. That and art history and many other liberal arts degrees. Degrees with little job prospects but large student loan debt and a bunch of whining punks crying about how the system is unfairly stacked against them. They fail to grasp that they made a bad choice.
Best degree on the planet is a philosophy, you can work at any coffee shop in the world with that.
but you should see the coffee talent.....LOL. That and art history and many other liberal arts degrees. Degrees with little job prospects but large student loan debt and a bunch of whining punks crying about how the system is unfairly stacked against them. They fail to grasp that they made a bad choice.
I've considered many options. Marketing does not really seem to interest me a lot.
The problem is that an undergraduate business degree doesn't qualify a person to do anything. Not enough accounting to really do accounting, not enough real-world marketing to actually go into a responsible marketing position, not enough advertising ... you get the point. It is a degree that readies someone to be a trainee, most often in a large corporation.
For a pilot making the transition to not-a-pilot, he/she will probably be old enough to be unattractive as a trainee. The company hiring a 30 or 40-year old not-a-pilot expects someone who can contribute right out of the box, like an engineer, lawyer, etc. as I described in a previous post.
An MBA or MS/Business with a quantitative emphasis like accounting, statistics, big data, etc. is another matter, but the OP is not looking to get a graduate degree at this point.
So just because business is everywhere, that is not an argument for the OP to get an undergraduate business degree.
If all you learned were a couple of languages you got cheated. I'm not even a programmer by trade and I have probably learned half a dozen languages over the years. Computer Science should be about learning the basics: parsing, sorting, stacks, objects, debugging, business process analysis, and many others. Using a particular language to implement your design is just a detail. Yes, it's a PITA to express yourself in some new syntax and to work in some new IDE, but it's really no different than a lawyer or CPA keeping up with the laws and regulations or an engineer keeping up with new materials and techniques.
of those 2, go for psychology. I've flown with lots of pilots for whom I wished I had a psychologist handy.
LOL. That and art history and many other liberal arts degrees. Degrees with little job prospects but large student loan debt and a bunch of whining punks crying about how the system is unfairly stacked against them. They fail to grasp that they made a bad choice.
I was going to suggest that earlier. As long as an RN maintains his certification and keeps up with continuing education requirements, there is always going to be a job waiting for him. Getting into nursing school isn't trivial and unless you really want to do it, it's a long 4 years just to get a backup degree.
That's more of an associates level or certificate level thing. As jobs with a 2 year training track go, few beat x-ray tech in money and job security. The thing to remember though is that you get hired for your experience, not the piece of paper. Also, many departments operate on seniority. So to get into the more interesting parts of the job, you have work at least a couple of years full-time to gain the experience to do things like CT or MRI. The good money comes either with sticking around long enough in a government job or by working things like overnight shifts. With your fresh X-ray degree in hand, you may not even be able to hire into clinical position right away. Our fresh hires out of x-ray school put in a couple of months working the overnight shift in the fileroom (there are no physical files, it is a computer and communications job to get the studies from outlying sites to the overnight radiologist).
It's my understanding it epends on the state whether it's a 2 year program, certificate, or 4 year degree. My friends wife said it made more sense for her to get the 4 year degree for money reasons and that it opens up more doors.
Sure, you can get a 4 year degree, but that degree has couresework that goes beyond what is required for registration as RT. If the goal is to have any bachelors degree AND a non-aviation fallback job that will always put food on the table, that can be a good option.
But as I mentioned, just like in pretty much any other career, 5 years out, nobody will hire you for your degree, they will hire you for having x years experience in a particular area. Lots of 'travel tech' jobs out there working in a small hospital to fill a temporary staffing need. Pays well but requires experience on the common equipment platforms (Siemens/GE/Phillips/Toshi).
Another good fallback degree is ultrasound tech.
I respectfully disagree,
When I obtained my Computer Science Degree, (In the mid 90's) Technology was starting to change very rapidly. Once I got out of School Pascal and Cobol wasn't used as much and Visual Basic just started to become popular in the Mid 90's With C++. I learned those programming languages but as a self study, I didn't need a degree for that. In fact, the people that I was employed with didn't go to school at all to learn these languages. A degree that teaches you just the basics is NOT going to get you hired anywhere. It's about the market for your skills and what proven value you can bring and in technology that changes very quickly.
Business is different, it's a subject that will NEVER go away. As long as humans are on this earth there will be someone buying something and selling something. Computers and Technology changes VERY quickly, (Sometimes year to year). If I could do it all over again I would've gotten into business.
But that is just me!
My point
It is quite obvious that you didn't need to take a hell of a lot of English comp courses to get your degree.
It is quite obvious that you didn't need to take a hell of a lot of English comp courses to get your degree.
Jim
LOL. That and art history and many other liberal arts degrees. Degrees with little job prospects but large student loan debt and a bunch of whining punks crying about how the system is unfairly stacked against them. They fail to grasp that they made a bad choice.
They did make a poor choice, but the system is to blame also. Those protestors are just shouting at the wrong villains.
Banks are not there to lose money in general and yet they lend collectively billions to kids who major in things that will likely never enable them to pay back their loans. Why would banks do that? Well because those loans are guaranteed. And when the kids default... well they don't default because they can have their loans modified or deferred until basically forever.
And universities know all this and keep raising their tuition and adding more useless majors and adding staff and administrators and building new buildings and on and on and on.
And we keep telling kids that education is always a good thing! Go to college!
So there is an enormous racket in the college business. But still I wouldn't advise a kid to major in poli sci or psych. Wasting your time and money. If you must go to college, use the time wisely to get a degree that trains you for something.
Lol, the revenge of the english majors.
Semiconductor Physics with Math and Chem minors.
Jim
I have nothing against finance or accounting. Great career choices. I suggested chemistry because the OP has a disdain for math.
Seen on the back of a plumbers van in baltimore ...." Be true to your philosophers and your plumbers or neither your ideas nor your pipes will hold water."
I've considered many options. Marketing does not really seem to interest me a lot.