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It may not be the norm, but it's happened often enough - as reported on COPA - to raise itself above the "mythical".
Scarily, at least a couple have exceeded the $20k mark.
What on Earth for? The gear is fixed even.
It may not be the norm, but it's happened often enough - as reported on COPA - to raise itself above the "mythical".
Scarily, at least a couple have exceeded the $20k mark.
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Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning?
He told me that he can drop $35,000 easy on maintenance and extra costs A YEAR!
I knew you guys were going to be skeptical on the 35k price so I asked him for the maintenance sheet. Granted he did get some upgrades which affected the price in some way but here is the rundown: (This includes labor as well not including tax)
Annual Inspection $3,645
5 Year Hose Replacement $1,900
5 Year Fuel drain Valve Seal rplmt $250
6 Year Prop Overhaul $3,720
Parachute Repack $15,000
Magneto Overhaul $1,700
Muffler Replace $2,280
Replace Ack E-01 $1,750
ELT With 406 Mhz ELT
Avonics Upgrade $4,755
Let me know what you folks think!
I knew you guys were going to be skeptical on the 35k price so I asked him for the maintenance sheet. Granted he did get some upgrades which affected the price in some way but here is the rundown: (This includes labor as well not including tax)
Annual Inspection $3,645
5 Year Hose Replacement $1,900
5 Year Fuel drain Valve Seal rplmt $250
6 Year Prop Overhaul $3,720
Parachute Repack $15,000
Magneto Overhaul $1,700
Muffler Replace $2,280
Replace Ack E-01 $1,750
ELT With 406 Mhz ELT
Avonics Upgrade $4,755
Let me know what you folks think!
Yeah James331 I'm a CPA. And to me it makes sense. It's my personal choice. You don't like it, you don't have to own one.
What on Earth for? The gear is fixed even.
$104/month is way too much money for a rocket parachute thing strapped to my airplane. I don't care if the airplane costs half a million and that's a drop in the bucket compared to that cost. Every dollar counts, and that's too many for the benefit.
IMO owners should have the option to not repack or remove the damn thing if they want. Then it wouldn't bother me.
The $10k Cirrus annual is a myth
I knew you guys were going to be skeptical on the 35k price so I asked him for the maintenance sheet. Granted he did get some upgrades which affected the price in some way but here is the rundown: (This includes labor as well not including tax)
Annual Inspection $3,645
5 Year Hose Replacement $1,900
5 Year Fuel drain Valve Seal rplmt $250
6 Year Prop Overhaul $3,720
Parachute Repack $15,000
Magneto Overhaul $1,700
Muffler Replace $2,280
Replace Ack E-01 $1,750
ELT With 406 Mhz ELT
Avonics Upgrade $4,755
Let me know what you folks think!
You can cut some of these costs by:
Hose replacement, shop it out, do the hoses yourself under an A&P.
Prop and magneto overhauls could have been an IRAN.
Instead of muffler replace, sent it out for IRAN.
ELT and avonics upgrade are what they are.
The annual seems high, but it all depends on where you live and who you have do it.
But, yes, ownership can be expensive.
I knew you guys were going to be skeptical on the 35k price so I asked him for the maintenance sheet. Granted he did get some upgrades which affected the price in some way but here is the rundown: (This includes labor as well not including tax)
Annual Inspection $3,645
5 Year Hose Replacement $1,900
5 Year Fuel drain Valve Seal rplmt $250
6 Year Prop Overhaul $3,720
Parachute Repack $15,000
Magneto Overhaul $1,700
Muffler Replace $2,280
Replace Ack E-01 $1,750
ELT With 406 Mhz ELT
Avonics Upgrade $4,755
Let me know what you folks think!
The BRS parachute has saved 324 lives to dateMore marketing BS. Their website lists that as every person in an "aircraft" when a chute was pulled. That includes ultra lights et al.
If you do little math and a couple of assumptions, average of 2 persons per chute pull and the last few years of GA accident/fatality info, you get a number more like 29 lives saved.
I divided the 324 in half for 162 accidents (I'm at work and wont go look up total incidents now). the GA rate for fatal accidents from 2005-2010 was 18.2%. So if there were 162 accidents with BRS equipped planes and the fatality rate held - that's 29 to 58 people saved (18% of 162 is 29 - 2 persons per pull saved = 58).
I see a number that there are 6,000 cirrus aircraft delivered. Since newer models are cheaper to repack lets use $10,000 for that number. That is $60,000,000 in repacks over a 10 year period. Or about $1,000,000 - $2,000,000 per person saved, just in 1 repack cycle.
That is a lot of money. I need to get into the ballistic chute repack business.
and lets not forget.....
(probability of pulling the handle) ≠ (probability of being in a situation where you would otherwise pull the handle)
Are there any stats on how many of the Cirrus deployments were the result of "pilot induced" situations? (e.g., if perhaps the pilot had spent that money on more training on experience they wouldn't have needed said parachute? / or chute was deployed but arguably there were better options... such that the aircraft ended up in the trees vs performing an off-airport landing in field right next to those woods)
There's a certain stigma perpetuated by some with the Cirrus that's it's an airplane largely for rich people with more money than skills. Curious if the data would support that (perhaps unfair) reputation.
I hear it costs a lot to maintain and tune up a Ferrari. People who own Ferraris like to keep them maintained and in tune. I think your friend's plane will show well against the fleet.
Here is a list of all the chute pulls in a cirrus.
https://www.cirruspilots.org/copa/safety_programs/w/safety_pages/723.cirrus-caps-history.aspx
I met a Cirrus pilot today and he told me that he just dropped $15,000 for the 10 year parachute repack. He told me that you have to do it every 10 years because spin recovery is non existent in a Cirrus This is on top of all the maintenance it needs and the engine work. My apologies if this has been spoken about before. I just couldn't find it on this website.
I know owning an airplane is an expensive hobby but are there airplanes with comparable performance, (Or a little less) that has less expensive maintenance? He told me that he can drop $35,000 easy on maintenance and extra costs A YEAR!
I don't get the hostility.
It's an option, some people want it. Good for them that they have the choice!
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Hey, Brian-with-a-Y - What's that plane in your avatar?
I hear it costs a lot to maintain and tune up a Ferrari. People who own Ferraris like to keep them maintained and in tune. I think your friend's plane will show well against the fleet.