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Well, it’s scheduled. Next Wednesday, 8/15/2007, at 10:00am CDT, I am going for my Private Pilot Check-Ride. He said to have the plane reserved from 11:00am until 2:00pm, so I should be a pilot by 2:00pm next Wednesday, if all goes well. I nailed my mock check-ride last night, so I'm sure it will. Wish me luck!
 
Speaking of which...

Captain Levy’s Checkride Advice said:
1. Relax and enjoy it. Nationwide, about 90% of applicants pass on the first try, so look around and see if you think you’re as good as 9 out of 10 other students. Also, your instructor must maintain a pass rate of at least 80% to get his ticket renewed, so he’s not going to send you up unless he’s pretty darn sure you’ll pass – otherwise, he has to find four other people to pass to make up for you, and that’s not always easy.

2. Go over with your instructor the logbooks of the aircraft you're going to use the day BEFORE the checkride to make sure it's all in order (annual, transponder checks, ELT ops and battery, 100-hour if rented, etc.). If the airplane's paper busts, so do you. Run a sample W&B, too – get the examiner’s weight when you make the appointment. If you weigh 200, and so does the examiner, don’t show up with a C-152 with full tanks and a 350 lb available cabin load – examiners can’t waive max gross weight limits.

3. Relax.

4. Rest up and get a good night's sleep the night before. Don't stay up "cramming."

5. Relax.

6. Read carefully the ENTIRE PTS including all the introductory material. Use the checklist in the front to make sure you take all the stuff you need -- papers and equipment. And the examiner’s fee UP FRONT (too much chance a disgruntled applicant will refuse to pay afterward) in the form demanded by the examiner is a “required document” from a practical, if not FAA, standpoint.

7. Relax.

8. You’re going to make a big mistake somewhere. The examiner knows this will happen, and it doesn’t have to end the ride. What’s important is not whether you make a mistake, but how you deal with it – whether you recover and move on without letting it destroy your flying. Figure out where you are now, how to get to where you want to be, and then do what it takes to get there. That will save your checkride today and your butt later on.

9. Relax.

10. You're going to make some minor mistakes. Correct them yourself in a timely manner "so the outcome of the maneuver is never seriously in doubt" and you'll be OK. If you start to go high on your first steep turn and start a correction as you approach 100 feet high but top out at 110 high while making a smooth correction back to the requested altitude, don't sweat -- nail the next one and you'll pass with "flying colors" (a naval term, actually). If you see the maneuver will exceed parameters and not be smoothly recoverable, tell the examiner and knock it off before you go outside those parameters, and then re-initiate. That shows great sense, if not great skill, and judgement is the most critical item on the checkride.

11. Relax.

12. During the oral, you don’t have to answer from memory anything you’d have time to look up in reality. You never need to memorize and know everything. Categorize material as:

a. Things you must memorize (i.e. emergency procedures, radio calls, airspace, etc).
b. Things you must know or have reasonable understanding of (i.e. interpreting weather codes, non-critical regs).
c. Things you know about but can look up and will have time to look up on the ground.

(Thanks to Mark Bourdeaux for this categorization.) So if the examiner asks you about currency, it’s OK to open the FAR book to 61.56 and 61.57 and explain them to him. But make sure you know where the answer is without reading the whole FAR/AIM cover-to-cover. On the other hand, for stuff you’d have to know RIGHT NOW (e.g., best glide speed for engine failure, etc.), you’d best not stumble or stutter – know that stuff cold. Also, remember that the examiner will use the areas your knowledge test report says you missed as focus points in the oral, so study them extra thoroughly.

13. Relax.

14. Avoid this conversation:
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: I have a #2, a mechanical, a red one...
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: I also have an assortment of pens, and some highlighters...
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: Yes.
Examiner - Thank you.
One of the hardest things to do when you’re nervous and pumped up is to shut up and answer the question. I've watched people talk themselves into a corner by incorrectly answering a question that was never asked, or by adding an incorrect appendix to the correct answer to the question that was. If the examiner wants more, he'll tell you.

15. Relax

16. Some questions are meant simply to test your knowledge, not your skill, even if they sound otherwise. If the examiner asks how far below the cloud deck you are, he is checking to see if you know the answer is “at least 500 feet,” not how good your depth perception is. He can’t tell any better than you can, and the only way to be sure is to climb up and see when you hit the bases, which for sure he won’t let you do.

17. Relax

18. Remember the first rule of Italian driving: "What's behind me is not important." Don't worry about how you did the last maneuver or question. If you didn't do it well enough, the examiner must notify you and terminate the checkride. If you are on the next one, forget the last one because it was good enough to pass. Focus on doing that next maneuver or answering the next question the best you can, because while it can still determine whether you pass or fail, the last one can’t anymore. If you get back to the office and he hasn't said you failed, smile to your friends as you walk in because you just passed.

19. Relax and enjoy your new license.


Ron Levy, ATP, CFI, Veteran of 11 license/rating checkrides, including 4 with FAA inspectors
 
Well, it’s scheduled. Next Wednesday, 8/15/2007, at 10:00am CDT, I am going for my Private Pilot Check-Ride. He said to have the plane reserved from 11:00am until 2:00pm, so I should be a pilot by 2:00pm next Wednesday, if all goes well. I nailed my mock check-ride last night, so I'm sure it will. Wish me luck!

Is the checkride taking place at your home airport? If not, or even if so, you may wish to add an hour at the front end or back end or both just to be safe. My oral, including the extended good 'ol boy discussion about the DPE's homemade turkey calls, took nearly that long, and I never met the guy before (he was trying to get me to relax.) The flight was over an hour, and the formality of getting my ticket took another 15 minutes, followed by congratulations, etc. and a flight back to my home airport. You don't want to be pressured if someone else needs the plane. It's your day! Make the most of it.

Good luck!
 
Rock 'n' roll, PJ, and I'll greet you on Saturday week, at Hobby, as the newest pilot there (sadly enough, though, in a Cessna).
 
Thanks everyone, and especially Cap'n Ron, for that checkride guide. The ride is at my home airport, with the Chief Instructor for my home flight school. So, I feel very well-prepared as my CFI got all of his ratings (through MEI, to date) at that school, and all but one of his checkrides were with this DE. I'm most nervous about the oral part, but I'll just be reading the PTS over and over again, and reviewing the 7 areas where I was deficient on my written, until the big day. I'm not nervous at all about the flying portion... I know I can fly a plane, I just have to prove it to this guy now :). I appreciate all of the encouragement, help, and support you all have given me throughout this process...
 
Hey! Good luck. Just don't over work it. If you're ready, you're ready. I don't know if you have a flying routine, but if you do, just do the usual stuff. It's just another day and another instructor. It's nothing you haven't done. And as Captain Ron says... RELAX. It's just another beautiful day for flying.
 
Well said, John.

Add the 1st rule of Italian Race driving: What is behind me does not matter.
 
I plan to relax... Like I said, I'm more worried about the oral part than the flying part. Since my last flight was this past Monday, I'm probably going to go up on Tuesday solo and put myself through the paces, just to keep my mad skillz sharp :).
 
have fun tomorrow PJ. i got a student going for private in the afternoon. hopefullly it will be a good day for both of you.
 
hope the weather is good for you PJ. some MVFR floating around over here and thunderstorms in and out. hopefully my student catches a break enough to get the ride in.
 
I passed!!!!

There were a couple of things I swear I busted... a pretty crappy short-field landing, nearly busting the class B 3000 ft "wing" into the 4000 ft ring over Katy, trouble maintaining altitude on the steep turns, but I'm now a Private Pilot!
 
CONGRATS PJ. Now go out and ENJOY the privledge of being a PRIVATE PILOT

Dave G:blueplane:
 
I passed!!!!

There were a couple of things I swear I busted... a pretty crappy short-field landing, nearly busting the class B 3000 ft "wing" into the 4000 ft ring over Katy, trouble maintaining altitude on the steep turns, but I'm now a Private Pilot!

ALL RIGHT. PILOT PJ!

CONGRATS!!!!


We knew you'd do it!
 
FANTASTIC PJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my student passed too this afternoon, a wonderful day in general for PoA! congrats on the Private License (or Certificate as Ed would say).
 
Everyone messes up something on their check -- the question is whether you let it eat at you and ruin your performance on the next task, or whether you sorted yourself out and went on to do well on the rest of the ride. Clearly you kept your cool and kept flying. Congratulations!
 
Thanks everyone. Ron, that's one mistake I didn't make and some advice that I followed to the letter. I can't fix the mistake I just made, so I put it behind me and went on to the next task. I didn't hear the words, "you failed", so I figured that even though it wasn't up to my standards, it was up to the DPE's.
 
Thanks everyone. Ron, that's one mistake I didn't make and some advice that I followed to the letter. I can't fix the mistake I just made, so I put it behind me and went on to the next task.
That's the ticket!
I didn't hear the words, "you failed", so I figured that even though it wasn't up to my standards, it was up to the DPE's.
To pick a nit, it's not the DPE's standards that matter, it's the FAA's. For a number of reasons, we instructors do not like DPE's who substitute their own standards for those in the PTS, but that's entirely another story.
 
To pick a nit, it's not the DPE's standards that matter, it's the FAA's. For a number of reasons, we instructors do not like DPE's who substitute their own standards for those in the PTS, but that's entirely another story.

No we dont. BTW Ron, Im still clinging to the dream that all practical tests are created equal :) Its right up there with the dream that flying gliders is cheap.

PJ - who's the first passenger going to be?
 
You guys are correct, and I misspoke... it is the FAA's standards, and the DPE made it clear at the beginning of the test that he would evaluate me by those standards instead of his own. EDIT: But that he would make suggestions based on his experience, and that's all that they are, they will not count against me in my test.

Tony - the first passenger will be my better half... we're planning on flying over to SAT this Sunday to meet up with some of her friends from college and get some Rudy's BBQ - home of the BEST creamed corn on the face of the earth, or anywhere else in the universe, for that matter. Of course, this is weather-permitting. Right now, they're calling for 40% chance of rain and scattered t-storms.
 
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cool PJ, have fun!

corn in Texas? where do they import that from? :D
 
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