Cessna 195 ???

steingar said:
I recall a very reasonable price, but won't quote from memory here and honestly wasn't asking. More just to remind the OP that there was a perfectly serviceable one available right here at POA. The 8 or 9 months was the salient point, i.e. what is the market for one like. That said, I bet it would take as long to sell a Dehavialand anything.
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Doubt it. Like it or not, there isn't much you can do with a 195 to make money with it. A DHC-2 Beaver is still a working airplane. Priced right I'd imagine they don't stay on the market too long.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Doubt it. Like it or not, there isn't much you can do with a 195 to make money with it. A DHC-2 Beaver is still a working airplane. Priced right I'd imagine they don't stay on the market too long.
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Priced right nothing stays on the market that long. And you'll pay a premium up front for a working airplane, since others will happily purchase it for work.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Michael, I have had mine advertised on and off for about 8 or 9 months. It is currently not being actively advertised because not much sells during the winter months. You will see it again in barnstormers about the first of March.

As for asking price, well, lets just say I am taking REASONABLE offers.
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You make me wish I was in the market for ne now
 
rbhankins001 said:
I think the ad said 1-2 qts of oil per hour with a 5 gallon (?) oil reservoir?

I might buy it if you guys convince me :D
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PilotAlan said:
Greg, I have an abiding and maddening itch for a 195. My brain tells me to get a P35 Bo or a Debbie, but I almost have a seizure every time I go by Interstate 195 at OSH.

Can you give some real numbers?
Real cruise speeds, real fuel burns, real cost of annual and maintenance, etc. What's it really cost to own?
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I thought I'd weigh in and add to what Greg has already said.

The oil consumption numbers can be a little misleading. The new Jakes with all the improvements hardly burn any oil at all. Mine is a 275 hp engine and I burn about a quart every 5 hours. My engine is pretty tight and I think was a really good Payson overhaul.

As far as the numbers go, they vary a bit depending on what engine you've got.....a 245, 275, 300, or 330 Jake. I always flight plan 15 gph door to door, but in cruise up around 9 or 10 thousand, I can get leaned down to around 12 gph. No worse than a 182. I also have a mogas STC and try to use that as much as possible. My annual last year was $1500, and that included re-torquing the cylinder base nuts, setting valve clearances, and replacement of one cylinder that had no compression (that didn't include cylinder cost).

For ongoing maintenance, that's a harder number to peg. In my case, I bought a plane a couple of years ago that hadn't been flown much for 10 years and I've been doing a number of upgrades and fixing stuff the prior owner let slide. On an ongoing basis, there really isn't much to go wrong. It's a pretty simple airplane.

Cost-wise, you see them on the market from $50K to $150K. Someone once told me that if you buy a $50K plane that by the time you are done with it, it wil be a $100K airplane, so you might as well buy a nice one. I was skeptical about that when I first heard it, but I think I believe it now. There are a lot of 195's that have been neglected and bastardized over the years, and you have to be careful about what you buy.

I went through mine pretty carefully on the pre-buy and we have still found surprises. I didn't pay a lot for mine and figured that it would be a good everyday flyer, and that I could fix it up as I went along if I wanted to. I do have a good airframe and engine, and those are pretty important to get right up front. On mine I have added an oil filter mod, avionics upgrade with audio panel, 430W, GPSS roll steering, new control cables, done an exhaust system overhaul, rebuilt the engine baffles. I got hailed on last year and it is now in pieces getting that damage repaired, plus getting an electronic ignition STC, electric rudder trim, new custom leather interior, extended baggage STC, BAS safety harnesses, a panel restoration which includes getting my piano keys put back in, new panel sections and paint for the panel. That will probably be enough for a good, long time. :rolleyes2:

Visibility is like Greg says.....some other planes are better, some are worse. One can not be sloppy on either takeoff or landing, as the plane will bite you in the butt real quick if you are not paying attention.

195's are great planes.
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Sorry to necropost...

Why is it rare to see 195's in the backcountry? Too heavy? Too poor of visibility?
 
Mtns2Skies said:
Sorry to necropost...

Why is it rare to see 195's in the backcountry? Too heavy? Too poor of visibility?
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Those who own them, are the ones who wouldn't go there.
 
I'd consider one if I was in the 182 type market.
 
The 195 has the control column mounted to the floor, just like a jetliner. You get in the back and walk between the seats to sit at the controls. What's not to like about that? I'd like to fly one to see what they're like. Maybe I'd never be able to live without one if I gave it a shot, though. That's the risk.
 
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