California Wildfire Threatens Marijuana Farms

Expect a crowd downwind.
 
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I know when someone's power goes out, it's standard to invite friends over to drink all the beer in the fridge before it gets warm. it's the right thing to do.

listen up, california!
 
Make something legal and tax it, suddenly the police will protect it rather than chasing the farmers around. Funny how that works.
 
weilke said:
Make something legal and tax it, suddenly the police will protect it rather than chasing the farmers around. Funny how that works.
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According to the article, most of these farms are illegal. Make something legal and regulate it, and there will still be black markets.
 
Lindberg said:
According to the article, most of these farms are illegal. Make something legal and regulate it, and there will still be black markets.
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The sole reason a black market for cannabis still exists is because of the absurdity of how the federal government and states that continue to throw people in Prison for plants operate.
 
N1120A said:
The sole reason a black market for cannabis still exists is because of the absurdity of how the federal government and states that continue to throw people in Prison for plants operate.
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It's "legal" in California, so not in this case.
 
Lindberg said:
According to the article, most of these farms are illegal. Make something legal and regulate it, and there will still be black markets.
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While the county has prohibited the large-scale cultivation of marijuana, thousands of greenhouses are still run in the community, mostly by Hmong and Chinese families,

The way I read it, those family operations are not what is prohibited at the local (zoning) level.
 
weilke said:
While the county has prohibited the large-scale cultivation of marijuana, thousands of greenhouses are still run in the community, mostly by Hmong and Chinese families,

The way I read it, those family operations are not what is prohibited at the local (zoning) level.
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The article also says there are 3000 residents plus 8000 people working on the pot farms.... That doesn't sound like backyard operations.
 
N1120A said:
You assume the product is only being sold in CA.
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I don't assume anything. But the farms are illegal because the county outlawed them. It has nothing to do with the feds. The feds could unlock the gates of every prison in the country, and these farms would still be there and still be illegal.
 
weilke said:
Make something legal and tax it, suddenly the police will protect it rather than chasing the farmers around. Funny how that works.
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The police shot and killed one of the farmers, after they allegedly pulled a gun.
https://ktla.com/news/california/no...ijuana-farms-evacuated-amid-lava-fire-threat/

Officers shot and killed a man who pulled a gun as they tried to keep him out of a complex of marijuana farms in an area of far Northern California where thousands of people were ordered to evacuate as a wildfire raged during a heat wave enveloping part of the U.S. West, authorities said.
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Bob Noel said:
I would suggest that this incident has more to do with evacuations and an idiot pulling a gun than with police hassling farmers about their crop.
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True that the guy who pulled the gun was an idiot, but as I read the article, the county had banned large-scale grow operations and there had been ongoing conflict with the authorities trying to shut them down.
 
Everskyward said:
True that the guy who pulled the gun was an idiot, but as I read the article, the county had banned large-scale grow operations and there had been ongoing conflict with the authorities trying to shut them down.
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were the cops trying to keep the guy out of an area because of the crops or because evacuations were ordered?

"sheriff’s office issued evacuation orders for the communities of Lake Shastina, Juniper Valley and Mount Shasta Vista."

"Siskiyou County Sheriff Jeremiah LaRue told The Sacramento Bee that the man was trying to drive into the Mount Shasta Vista subdivision on Monday"
 
Bob Noel said:
were the cops trying to keep the guy out of an area because of the crops or because evacuations were ordered?

"sheriff’s office issued evacuation orders for the communities of Lake Shastina, Juniper Valley and Mount Shasta Vista."

"Siskiyou County Sheriff Jeremiah LaRue told The Sacramento Bee that the man was trying to drive into the Mount Shasta Vista subdivision on Monday"
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It seems like the final confrontation was about evacuation, but there had been ongoing conflicts beforehand.
The subdivision has been converted into a huge network of marijuana farms mostly run by Hmong and Chinese families. The county has banned large-scale marijuana cultivation but thousands of pot greenhouses have sprung up. Police efforts to shut them down have been countered with claims of racial discrimination, and the families are pursuing a federal civil rights lawsuit.
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Some pilots that I worked with some years ago, were recruited away from our outfit by the narcs to fly in south and central America on anti drug missions. They told me that they regularly burned the big piles of pot and coke that were seized. You bet they inhaled when they pitched in on the burn. They were also commercial pilots, on the job and under a federal drug screen program. You bet they flunked. Every month. But every thing has a work-around when you work for the feds.
 
Everskyward said:
It seems like the final confrontation was about evacuation, but there had been ongoing conflicts beforehand.
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lots of stuff happens ... but, according to the article, the fact of the matter is that the police were trying to prevent people from entering an area being evacuated and an idiot drew a gun.
 
EdFred said:
Just Seattle.
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Palmpilot said:
Hey, quit badmouthing my home town! :p
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EdFred said:
Well had it not ruined rock music in the 90s....:D
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I live in the Seattle area. I fled the city proper almost 20 years ago when I saw what direction it was headed. Today, it is worse than I had ever imagined. It's a pit. A sty. Homeless addict's tents are pitched along the freeway, under overpasses, on church properties, and more. Addicts deal, shoot up, defecate, and **** throughout the city with impunity. Piles of trash and filth accumulate. Crime is rampant, unpunished, and increasing. The city enables homelessness and addiction. "Homelessness" has become an industry with NGOs and consultants gorging themselves at the public trough. The pandemic simply accelerated the abandonment of the city already underway. 500 businesses permanently closed in downtown in the past year, and it continues.

Police officers are fleeing for other jurisdictions. By last January over 200 officers had separated. By the end of 2021 it will likely be north of 300 out of 1300 deployable officers a few years ago. The city council reduced the police budget by 20%.

Meanwhile the city, county, and state spend tens of billions on a choo-choo train with is butt-ugly, intrusive, concrete monstrosities, that will likely move maybe 2% of commuters--and that was the estimate before the pandemic.

Seattle is dying.
 
Bob Noel said:
lots of stuff happens ... but, according to the article, the fact of the matter is that the police were trying to prevent people from entering an area being evacuated and an idiot drew a gun.
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I'm not sure what your point is. There had been previous conflicts between the county, police, and growers. It was not a friendly relationship. True that the police were trying to evacuate the area. The person who drew the gun was an idiot. Would he have pulled it if there had not been a history of encounters? Who knows. Not blaming the police, if you think that's what I'm doing.
 
Domenick said:
...Seattle is dying.
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Depends on how you define dead. Seattle may be deteriorating, but it is not going to cease to exist, no matter how much certain people might wish that it would.
 
Domenick said:
I live in the Seattle area. I fled the city proper almost 20 years ago when I saw what direction it was headed. Today, it is worse than I had ever imagined. It's a pit. A sty. Homeless addict's tents are pitched along the freeway, under overpasses, on church properties, and more. Addicts deal, shoot up, defecate, and **** throughout the city with impunity. Piles of trash and filth accumulate. Crime is rampant, unpunished, and increasing. The city enables homelessness and addiction. "Homelessness" has become an industry with NGOs and consultants gorging themselves at the public trough. The pandemic simply accelerated the abandonment of the city already underway. 500 businesses permanently closed in downtown in the past year, and it continues.

Police officers are fleeing for other jurisdictions. By last January over 200 officers had separated. By the end of 2021 it will likely be north of 300 out of 1300 deployable officers a few years ago. The city council reduced the police budget by 20%.

Meanwhile the city, county, and state spend tens of billions on a choo-choo train with is butt-ugly, intrusive, concrete monstrosities, that will likely move maybe 2% of commuters--and that was the estimate before the pandemic.

Seattle is dying.
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And yet the market disagrees with you...

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I don't wish for Seattle's demise as a functioning family-friendly city, but it has become and is becoming what its residents continued to vote for through the past decades. I've been in the Seattle area a long, long time. I lived and worked in the city for thirty years and loved it, until I saw the direction it was trending. I mourn for a once great city--family-friendly, safe at all hours, beautiful parks, and waterfronts.

No one expects Seattle to simply vanish, or to literally roll over, legs up. "Seattle is dying" is a metaphor.
It's is rotting from the center out. Residents are fleeing to surrounding communities. I have friends who who live in high-rises downtown. They don't go out after dark anymore.

I can't explain the housing prices except I don't know the source and location of the data. I do know the influx of tech over the past decades brought with it huge numbers of well-paid workers, much construction, and a growing tax base. Now that COVID transitioned us to a work-from-home mentality, I'm not sure what will happen to all the Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and other computer-tech office space. Biotech has been moving up north out of the city and out of the county for some time. Seattle's commercial vacancy rate has hit a decades high of 16%.

Take a look at what local residents are saying:
https://www.bestplaces.net/comments...8DE2E9E-F00C-4657-B4E0-6E4DA015F326&vote=1&p=
 
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Palmpilot said:
Hey, quit badmouthing my home town! :p
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Any city that thinks the mutts are great is dying. What can I say? As home of the "mistake on the lake" Seattle is doomed. It may take a while, but it is doomed.

Go Cougs!!!
 
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