Boy, that is an ugly airplane!

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I am in the early stages of beginning to think about maybe sometime in the future possibly buying an airplane.:D Anyway, I took a three hour road trip Saturday for my first look at some airplanes. My intention is to buy a 200 hour plane. The plan is to buy, fly, sell. One of the planes I looked at is a pretty good plane, solid panel, low time engine and a nice interior. The paint however is horrendous. It is so ugly, it's a deal breaker. So my question is, what does it cost, and can you even get an "Earl Shieb" paint job for an airplane? I will absolutely not spend 10k or more to paint a plane that I intend to sell in 1-2 years. Is painting something I can legally do myself?
 
I am in the early stages of beginning to think about maybe sometime in the future possibly buying an airplane.:D Anyway, I took a three hour road trip Saturday for my first look at some airplanes. My intention is to buy a 200 hour plane. The plan is to buy, fly, sell. One of the planes I looked at is a pretty good plane, solid panel, low time engine and a nice interior. The paint however is horrendous. It is so ugly, it's a deal breaker. So my question is, what does it cost, and can you even get an "Earl Shieb" paint job for an airplane? I will absolutely not spend 10k or more to paint a plane that I intend to sell in 1-2 years. Is painting something I can legally do myself?

I once painted a car with a roller.
You mix a ton of mineral spirits w/ the rustoleum color of your choice.
I painted that car for probably $150.

It is so thin, it self levels. It is far from perfect but from 5 feet, it was beautiful.
Wonder if you could do that on a plane.
 
I did the same thing on a hood with gloss black. Turned out way better than I had any right to expect. LoL

On the plane I'm closing on here shortly, I need to find a way to fix the clear coat. Base is good, but clear has started peeling from the owner never waxing the poor thing. If anyone has any tips on fixing/patching a clear coat without shooting the entire airplane, I'm all ears.
 
I once painted a car with a roller.
You mix a ton of mineral spirits w/ the rustoleum color of your choice.
I painted that car for probably $150.

It is so thin, it self levels. It is far from perfect but from 5 feet, it was beautiful.
Wonder if you could do that on a plane.
The trick is to keep it from sliding off till it dries.
 
I had a friend who painted his car (a 1970 Hornet) with gloss latex house paint. It looked just like it sounds.

As for the plane, you can save some money by just painting it white and applying numbers and purtys in vinyl (or just numbers, allowing a subsequent purchaser to decorate the plane in accordance with his or her desires. It's even possible, if the existing paint is well-adhered, to do a basic "scuff and spray" - but in most instances, you need to remove control surfaces, properly strip the paint, mask and paint and rebalance and reinstall control surfaces.
 
Depends, I've known guys who do it the self with the help of some local hot rod guys and their equipment, plus a AP for a little ink and double check work.

It's not rocket surgery, just lots of labor.
 
"This video is private."
 
I am in the early stages of beginning to think about maybe sometime in the future possibly buying an airplane.:D Anyway, I took a three hour road trip Saturday for my first look at some airplanes. My intention is to buy a 200 hour plane. The plan is to buy, fly, sell. One of the planes I looked at is a pretty good plane, solid panel, low time engine and a nice interior. The paint however is horrendous. It is so ugly, it's a deal breaker. So my question is, what does it cost, and can you even get an "Earl Shieb" paint job for an airplane? I will absolutely not spend 10k or more to paint a plane that I intend to sell in 1-2 years. Is painting something I can legally do myself?

Paint protects the airframe. Is this paint job ugly because it's flaking off exposing aluminum? Or is it still sound paint but an ugly scheme or heavily oxidized? If it's the former it should be stripped and re-painted, and that's expensive because of the labour to do the prep work properly. If the latter can you rejuvenate the base colour and re-do the stripes or something?
 
I am in the early stages of beginning to think about maybe sometime in the future possibly buying an airplane.:D Anyway, I took a three hour road trip Saturday for my first look at some airplanes. My intention is to buy a 200 hour plane. The plan is to buy, fly, sell. One of the planes I looked at is a pretty good plane, solid panel, low time engine and a nice interior. The paint however is horrendous. It is so ugly, it's a deal breaker. So my question is, what does it cost, and can you even get an "Earl Shieb" paint job for an airplane? I will absolutely not spend 10k or more to paint a plane that I intend to sell in 1-2 years. Is painting something I can legally do myself?

Get a wrap. That is what everyone is doing these days.
 
I spent the time to strip and repaint an airplane many years ago. I wouldn't do it again. I have a good appreciation for the work that paint shops put into a job.

There was a Navajo in OKC many years ago that the owner sent a bunch of his employees out to repaint it. The whole airplane was done with brushes and enamel paint. It really wasn't too bad. I was impressed that the brush marks were aligned with the slipstream.
 
The manager of VKX used to be found out touching up his Cessna 337 with cans of kelly green Krylon. It sort of looked like it. I hear later he finally got the plane professionally repainted.
 
I am in the early stages of beginning to think about maybe sometime in the future possibly buying an airplane.:D Anyway, I took a three hour road trip Saturday for my first look at some airplanes. My intention is to buy a 200 hour plane. The plan is to buy, fly, sell. One of the planes I looked at is a pretty good plane, solid panel, low time engine and a nice interior. The paint however is horrendous. It is so ugly, it's a deal breaker. So my question is, what does it cost, and can you even get an "Earl Shieb" paint job for an airplane? I will absolutely not spend 10k or more to paint a plane that I intend to sell in 1-2 years. Is painting something I can legally do myself?
Just a little food for thought:

If I am a potential buyer and the airplane was painted recently on the cheap.....I am looking elsewhere.

Same thing with engine overhauls. I'd rather buy a runout engine at the right price and have it done myself the right way than pay for and take my chances with someone else's shoddy work.

In other words, if you are buying a time builder that you will sell in a year or two, get it at the right price and don't try to make it worse.
 
I have a friend with a Cessna 140A that he loves, but it's lacking a great paint job. He was more worried about having a sound airplane. Imagine his surprise when I added his plane to my yearly Cessna 120/140 calendar! It's pretty to me!
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Why even bother with paint if you plan on off loading? You won't get anything better than 50 cents on the dollar in value when you sell.

Buy it cheap, build your time, sell it for what you bought it for and move on. Period.
 
Yeah that. Better yet, why buy an airplay at all for a couple years? They're a pain to purchase, an even bigger pain to unload, and you expose yourself to potentially catastrophic mechanical issues.
 
Just a little food for thought:

If I am a potential buyer and the airplane was painted recently on the cheap.....I am looking elsewhere.

Same thing with engine overhauls. I'd rather buy a runout engine at the right price and have it done myself the right way than pay for and take my chances with someone else's shoddy work.

In other words, if you are buying a time builder that you will sell in a year or two, get it at the right price and don't try to make it worse.
I can assure you, I bad paint job will be no worse for resale than how it looks now
I have a friend with a Cessna 140A that he loves, but it's lacking a great paint job. He was more worried about having a sound airplane. Imagine his surprise when I added his plane to my yearly Cessna 120/140 calendar! It's pretty to me!
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Compared to the plane I am looking at, this plane is Bo Derek running down the beach.
Why even bother with paint if you plan on off loading? You won't get anything better than 50 cents on the dollar in value when you sell.

Buy it cheap, build your time, sell it for what you bought it for and move on. Period.
You would have to see it I guess.
Yeah that. Better yet, why buy an airplay at all for a couple years? They're a pain to purchase, an even bigger pain to unload, and you expose yourself to potentially catastrophic mechanical issues.
I am a glutton for punishment I guess.
 
Yeah that. Better yet, why buy an airplay at all for a couple years? They're a pain to purchase, an even bigger pain to unload, and you expose yourself to potentially catastrophic mechanical issues.

I can certainly see the appeal, as I've been evaluating doing the same. For my "some day" plane I want something that can pick up the legs and go. But I'd really love to be able to build time at 4-6 gph in the meantime. Sure there is the risk of a mechanical gotcha, but that comes with all planes.
 
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I can assure you, I bad paint job will be no worse for resale than how it looks now
It may not look worse, but I suspect you are going to ask more since you painted it. That is what most folks do.

My point is that as a buyer, I'd rather pay a suitable price for an airplane that needs paint than to try and negotiate over an inflated price for an airplane....that needs paint.
 
I once painted a car with a roller.
You mix a ton of mineral spirits w/ the rustoleum color of your choice.
I painted that car for probably $150.

It is so thin, it self levels. It is far from perfect but from 5 feet, it was beautiful.
Wonder if you could do that on a plane.

Is that a 65 Mustang? I've got one in my back yard (yeah I'm from Arkansas...its required) that I need to restore.
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Harbor Freight sells a cheap ($30) automotive paint gun that I have used and it actually works really well. I painted a boat trailer with some rustic red Rustoleum distilled with acetone, per the instructions; it came out fantastic with no runs after 2-3 light coats. I have no doubt that one could do a serviceable job on an aircraft with that paint gun, provided you do all of the necessary prep work. The folks who skip on the prep work are the ones who usually end up with poor results. Obviously if you rattle-can it, it would come out looking terrible without a ton of wet-sanding. I probably wouldn't ever paint my own aircraft, personally, but if it were just touching up large panels on a worn out 'ol bird, I'd be fine with it. You start messing with painting areas with hinges/gaps/etc., I'd pass on that.
 
Is that a 65 Mustang? I've got one in my back yard (yeah I'm from Arkansas...its required) that I need to restore.
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Yup.
I sold it though.

One of these days I will have another.
 
This is a hijack, but I've wanted to tell this story for years. Except for me everyone involved is gone to dust, years ago.
Many years ago, in a galaxy far, far away....
I'm sitting in the shack, being lectured by Jim the Hermit, after pulling a particularly bonehead maneuver in his almost new PA-18, and a guy shows up eliciting an "Aw Shxt" from Jim.
The guy wants his plane painted. He wants it cheap, and he wants it immediately. They argue, and Jim is getting redder and redder in the face. Suddenly Jim does a complete 180 and says "OK. It will be ready in 2 days".
The guy walks out, and I, with my best quizzical expression, stare at Jim, who is ignoring me and furiously writes up a list.
"Kid, drive the duck over to Marv's and get everything on this list. Don't ask questions, just do it." So, not being one to pass up a chance to drive the duck, especially since I am only 15 and have no drivers license, I waddle the duck down to Marv's, hand him the list and wait. About 20 minutes later, Marv, with some help starts loading boxes into the duck and announces, "I have to go to Peekskill to get the rest."
I waddle the duck back to the base, and Jim says, "Go home. Be here at 6 AM"
The next day the plane is in the paint hanger, all prepped, the spray gear is all set up, and Jim tells me "One coat, wait one hour, a second coat, wait one hour and a third coat. No drips or I'll make you clean it off with a toothbrush and start over."
I know he means business, and I do this as carefully and as perfectly as I can. The paint smells funny, but I can't put my finger on why. But the paint job is a beautiful kelly green, and looks terrific. Jim tells me "Get lost. Be here tomorrow at 6 AM."
The next morning the Cessna 180 is done. Jim had done the stripes and numbers overnight, and it looks great.
Jim is smiling.
I'm terrified. I had NEVER seen Jim smile.
Ever.
The owner shows up, takes one look at the plane and hands Jim a wad of bills. He hops in and flies off. Jim hands me two $100.00 bills. It's 1964. I had never in my life seen a $100.00 bill before. I can fly forever on $200.00.
We are sitting in the shack and Jim says "What's the weather going to be the next few days?"
Says me: "Good today, tomorrow and Friday. Rain Friday night, Saturday and Sunday."
Says Jim: "Get back to work, don't show up Saturday or Sunday, and be here early Monday."
Monday morning rolls around and Jim informs me the painted plane is coming back. It lands, and there is NO PAINT ON THE PLANE. None. Except for the odd streak or spot it's almost all gone.
The owner is howling mad, threatening all sorts of violence and legal action. Jim just sits there, smiling. When the guy finally runs down Jim hands him the number of his attorney and tells him "Next time specify what you want besides cheap and immediate. Now fxxk off."
The funny smell? It turns out I sprayed the plane with kindergarten style finger paint.
As soon as it rained, the paint started washing off.
The good old days. I painted a mess of planes after that, but this is the one I remember best.
 
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I have a friend with a Cessna 140A that he loves, but it's lacking a great paint job. He was more worried about having a sound airplane. Imagine his surprise when I added his plane to my yearly Cessna 120/140 calendar! It's pretty to me!

Ya, but you could make an airplane speckled with primer blotches over repairs look like a show plane with your camera skills Jack
 
Okay I'll bite....what's a duck as described above, that can be driven yet waddles still?
 
Ya, but you could make an airplane speckled with primer blotches over repairs look like a show plane with your camera skills Jack
Nope, a face only a mother could love! Some planes make it easy... others make you work for it!
 
Okay I'll bite....what's a duck as described above, that can be driven yet waddles still?

A duck, actually DUKW, is an amphibious landing craft, half truck, half boat. They used them during WWII. After the war a lot of seaplane bases bought them up to recover aircraft that got stranded out in the water. Today they use them as "Duck Tour" boats in places like Boston. They don't go very fast on land or in the water.
http://www.milweb.net/features/dukw.php
Jim the Hermit somehow managed to get them registered as FARM equipment so we could also drive them on the road to fetch supplies in the village.
 
Ok...I've actually ridden on/in one on Lake of the Ozarks. My daughters got to drive it. Your "waddle" comment threw off my memory mojo.
 
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