Bless me Father for I have sinned

[Henning]

I think most people would disagree with this definition:



and agree with this one:


but if you want to call a hand-held GPS in a plane a "glass cockpit", that's your call

Please quote where I said glass cockpit..... Is there a difference in the way you digest the information between a G 500 & a 696?

 

[SkyHog]

Ah a clipping of a Class D airspace. Been there, done that. Was on a solo xc (my second one) and it was turbulant. To this day I still stick with I was Aviating, navigating and took communicating last. Just stepped into the Class D and was talking to them. As I was leaving the space they said I had "pilot deviation". After a phone call with the tower (my CFII made the conference call with me) and then a call from a FSDO I seem to be in the clear...no nasty gram. (Was kind of hoping to get one) but we filled out that NASA form so maybe it was my *get out of jail free*. I'll be sure to be watching the GPS alot more carefully next time. (And well have my radio tuned in well before hand.)

Did the Class D tower request that you stay clear? If not, that's their bad, not yours, since you were talking to them. Remember that class D only requires that you establish communication, it doesn't require any clearance.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Please quote where I said glass cockpit..... Is there a difference in the way you digest the information between a G 500 & a 696?

I believe most people contract "glass cockpit" to simply "glass" on a similar fashion that "web log" becomes shortened to "blog"

Feel free to post a poll.

 

[Henning]

I believe most people contract "glass cockpit" to simply "glass" on a similar fashion that "web log" becomes shortened to "blog"

Feel free to post a poll.

Why post a poll when 80% of everybody is stupid? I guess if you consider that "convention makes correct", but it's an example of why I think proper nomenclature in aviation is important. Anything with that type of display is "glass". If you look through the archives on this very board, you will find dozens of examples of an MX-20 or a GNS 530 being referred to as Glass.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Why post a poll when 80% of everybody is stupid? I guess if you consider that "convention makes correct", but it's an example of why I think proper nomenclature in aviation is important. Anything with that type of display is "glass". If you look through the archives on this very board, you will find dozens of examples of an MX-20 or a GNS 530 being referred to as Glass.

Proper nomenclature? We're talking about whether a hand held GPS comprises part of a glass cockpit, not proper radio procedures.

A Garmin GPS III Pilot has a map on it and when it came out (1997), I doubt anyone called it "glass". The only "glass" was the CRT or LCD panel displays in high-end planes.

EDIT:
Given enough time, "convention does make correct". That's how languages evolve. I've seen on-line references suggesting Shakespeare coined around 1700 words (google "words coined by shakespeare" ). Most of those words are now part of the language so his convention has become correct. I've seen convention change in the sciences- "Aqueous Normal Phase" has become "Hydrophilic Interaction LIquid Chromatography" (HILIC). I've been using the technique through both names. From the other responses, it seems a hand-held GPS isn't really part of a "glass cockpit" now, if it ever was.

 

[EdFred]

Yeah, and the vacuum driven gauges actually run on steam.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Yeah, and the vacuum driven gauges actually run on steam.

It has to be super heated "dry" steam or the droplets damage the gyro turbines

 

[Henning]

Proper nomenclature? We're talking about whether a hand held GPS comprises part of a glass cockpit, not proper radio procedures.

I never said glass cockpit, you inferred the second word. Besides which, representationally, there is no difference between seeing the chart on a G-600 or 696, you gather the information in the same format of having final product at first glance rather than extrapolating it from raw data onto a paper chart. What part of the concept is eluding you? The difference between "glass" and "steam" is that with glass the equipment gives you the final result while with "steam" the equipment gives you raw LOP data that you need to develop into a result. I have full portable glass with a Bendix Av8or Horizon, I even have it with synthetic vision, AHRS and all. It's not legal for IFR use, but it's still glass and it's portable and a GPS. It doesn't matter how it's certified, what matters is how it relates the information to you.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I never said glass cockpit, you inferred the second word. Besides which, representationally, there is no difference between seeing the chart on a G-600 or 696, you gather the information in the same format of having final product at first glance rather than extrapolating it from raw data onto a paper chart. What part of the concept is eluding you? The difference between "glass" and "steam" is that with glass the equipment gives you the final result while with "steam" the equipment gives you raw LOP data that you need to develop into a result. I have full portable glass with a Bendix Av8or Horizon, I even have it with synthetic vision, AHRS and all. It's not legal for IFR use, but it's still glass and it's portable and a GPS. It doesn't matter how it's certified, what matters is how it relates the information to you.

In 1997, if someone put a Garmin GPS III Pilot in a Piper Cub and claimed they had "glass", they'd have been laughed out of the FBO. If you want to call an iPhone "glass", more power to you. It supposedly can do all that you say with the proper apps installed.

To me, your Bendix just another portable GPS with a few more bells & whistles than the Garmin G III. It's been a very long time since even a hand-held a GPS only gave a lat/long and something like a CDI, assuming consumer units only gave that information, and I doubt people called it "glass" back then. Even my first hand-held GPS displayed a rudimentary map showing only the waypoints, the course between the waypoints, and my track between the waypoints. It also gave me a choice between a CDI or a pointer display.

 

[Henning]

In 1997, if someone put a Garmin GPS III Pilot in a Piper Cub and claimed they had "glass", they'd have been laughed out of the FBO. If you want to call an iPhone "glass", more power to you. It supposedly can do all that you say with the proper apps installed.

To me, your Bendix just another portable GPS with a few more bells & whistles than the Garmin G III. It's been a very long time since even a hand-held a GPS only gave a lat/long and something like a CDI, assuming consumer units only gave that information, and I doubt people called it "glass" back then. Even my first hand-held GPS displayed a rudimentary map showing only the waypoints, the course between the waypoints, and my track between the waypoints. It also gave me a choice between a CDI or a pointer display.

You gotta love the internet where a valid point becomes a ****ing match in semantics...

 

[Cap'n Jack]

You gotta love the internet where a valid point becomes a ****ing match in semantics...

Isn't that the beauty in language? You see things in a certain way, and I understand where you are coming from but I think others see it differently (the 80% that were claimed to be "stupid").