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Lee and I attended a CAP Safety down day, Where we basically attened a series of saftey seminars for about 5 hours although some made us want to bang our heads against the well there was one that was particularly good and I wanted so share some info with all of you.

The presentation was on the BASH ( Bird Aircraft Strike Hazard) progam at Dover AFB. The presenter really had some good info. Keep in mind there are apparently three main "flyways" in the US the Atlantic, Central and Pacific. The program concentrated on the Atlanic but I suppose some info can be transferred.

1) The main time of year for strike hazards is between November and April, which time frame is just about upon us.

2) If you have a lot of snow geese in the area you can depend upon them being there pretty much the same time every year.

3) If you have a lot of Canada geese they won't fly south until it gets cold so their migration is temerature based.

4) Birds flying above 500'agl will in fact tend to dive if they sense a collision so the climb to avoid is not a myth. HOWEVER below 500' all bets are off.

5) Birds will fly on days with low clouds ( below the clouds) as they need to eat every day.

6) The birds will fly inland at dusk to overnight and fly to the coast early in the day around dawn. During paricularly cold or cloudy days they will fly from inland to coast a bit later in the day. You can keep this in mind when flight planning.

7) Cape May NJ is perhaps the biggest stop over for migratory birds in the country. Apparently bird watchers from all over the world travel to cape may to watch birds ( near by fields include WWD)

8) Strike hazards occur with all birds from starlings that weigh mere grams to Canda geese that way up to 15lbs

9) If the problem in your area is mostly small birds then encourage your airport to cut the grass at a hight from 5-7 inches the small birds don't like grass that deep. You don't want the grass to be too long becuse that attracts rodents which in turn attract predatory birds such as Eagles However apparenly introducing falcons is good because they eat and discourage the presence of other birds.

10) Make sure your field ( if they will listen) cut grass before it goes to seed as birds feed on the seed and that they plant grass that are not natural see producers such as millet. At Wings they rent the excess land to a farmer who plants corn ugh the geese love the left over corn after harvest.

11) Make sure all drainage basins at the field drain in 24 hrs standing water attracts water fowl. One colder days look for water fowl gulls etc to stand on the paved areas ie runways ramps taxiway, rather than in the grassey areas. Standing water attacts insects which also attract more birds.

12) One of the best bird deterents around airports is a boarder collie

13) If you see birds report it let other pilots or tower know.

Hope you all can use at least some of this or pass it on to your airport I think you can find more detailed info on line just look up the BASH program at Dover AFB
 
Very Good information, Thanks for Sharing Adam. I recall last October when I was on a training flight at Wings, a Flock of Canada Geese flew diagonally below/parallel to us just after I turned final. Very cool to see them in that element, but scary knowing the damage that could be done too.

I'll be more vigalent with my lookout.

Thanks Again!
 
Great info Adam, thanks for posting. There is a bird sanctuary in Cape May, that we'd go to when I was a kid. Yes, lots of birds there, in addition to all the gulls.
 
hmm, this seems a little tedious, don't you think?

Well since there was no smilie on your post I assume your serious. So my answer is "No" If your on a take off roll and see a large flock of geese off the runway waddling toward the run way speak up. If there is water near or on your departure path or approach path and you see lots of water fowl on the water speak up. They can take flight in a moment and its good to keep you eye out. I've seen Geese and gulls standing on the side of the runway as I have rolled past on take off a call then can save the pilot behind you.

Were not talking about reporting every darn bird you see.
 
Excellent summary Adam.

Another thing she discussed was that Dover is part of a developmental program for a radar system that can detect birds. Not just flocks but individual birds as well. They're using it mainly to track bird movements so they can schedule aircraft operations during times that birds are less active. The system can even detect the bird's altitude.

Here's more info on the program

http://flyawaybash.com/Article Dover AFB sets trend with bird radar 10-26-06.pdf

I've actually heard Dover controllers call out the location of bird flocks to pilots, but I assumed the flocks were large enough to show up on thier standard radar. They must have used this new system.
 
hmm, this seems a little tedious, don't you think?

Good info, Adam, thanks for sharing.

I think the "report birds" isn't if you see a single bird. But, if you see a flock of them off the end of the runway or at your altitude on an airway or over a navaid, it's a good PIREP to report it. I hear the airliners do it all the time at DFW, when they see fowl on the final approach course or departure, and tower always thanks them for the report and passes the info along to the next few pilots checking in.
 
If the flocks are big enough, they will show up on the doppler. Also, if you are in the vicinity of a USAF base, tune up thier ATIS. If there are birds in the area, it will be on the ATIS in the form of "Bird Watch Condition Low/Moderate/Severe". Keep in mind the BWC is at the discretion of the SOF (supervisor of flying) or the tower super. So Severe could mean an entire flock, or a single eagle soaring right at pattern alt on downwind. Same goes for low, could be a flock in the area but not in a usual aicraft flight path. And if there is any doubt about what effect birds have on aircraft, do a google search for YUKLA 27. Sobering stuff.

EDIT: here's a CVR transcript during the emergency. Serious stuff. This was a b707 type so imagine what birds will do to a bugsmasher like what most of us fly.

http://aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/cvr_yukla27.php
 
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Thank you for NOT calling them "Canadian Geese". That's one of my pet peeves. They are no more Canadian than American!
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Thanks for the info Adam!

I've actually heard Dover controllers call out the location of bird flocks to pilots, but I assumed the flocks were large enough to show up on thier standard radar. They must have used this new system.

That's pretty cool. I can hear it now. Bird traffic 2 o'clock, 3 miles, opposite direction, altitude 2,500, type unknown. ;)
 
Thank you for NOT calling them "Canadian Geese". That's one of my pet peeves. They are no more Canadian than American!
I prefer to think of them as "Canada Crap Machines" considering the mess they continue to make around many areas. They could certainly solve a lot of problems in feeding the homeless.
 
Thank you for NOT calling them "Canadian Geese". That's one of my pet peeves. They are no more Canadian than American!

Wait, what are they supposed to be called? I always called them (and hunted them) as "Canada Goose."

And in Canada, its their national bird, like our American Eagle, they have their "Canada Goose."

Unless I'm missing something.
 
There is a charted wildlife refuge a few miles north of our airport. We're told to fly no less than 2000' AGL over it so our smelly, noisy airplanes won't disturb the sensitive birdies.

So where do the birds spend their day?

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Last year a C-152 on a training flight from a nearby field was making a touch-and-go at our airport. On the "go" it hit a flock of geese. One went through the windshield and landed in the instructor's lap. Goose parts were found all the way back into the tailcone. Fortunately the airplane landed safely, but it needed a new windshield, three feet of wing leading edge and a deluxe interior detailing job. :vomit:
 
That's pretty cool. I can hear it now. Bird traffic 2 o'clock, 3 miles, opposite direction, altitude 2,500, type unknown. ;)

That is basically how it goes. I've heard Approach controllers give that advisory before.
 
I've actually heard Dover controllers call out the location of bird flocks to pilots, but I assumed the flocks were large enough to show up on thier standard radar. They must have used this new system.


Departure controller tells a pilot to "use caution for a flock of birds, three miles off the end of the runway, reported at 1,200."

"How do you know that?" the pilot asks.

"Well they're squawking, of course," the controller said ironically.


I've been issued a lot of alerts for birds, by both tower and approach controllers. A lot of the time they're just working off PIREPS, but if the flocks get big enough, they show up as primary targets (Portland approach showed me that, with what was reported to be a flock of seagulls). We used to always, every morning, get an alert from LEB tower for turkeys on & INVOF the runways, and we would give them PIREPs as to where the turkeys were lurking if they couldn't see them ("couple turkeys, approx 1300 feet east of the threshold, about 75 feet left of center line...they're right next to the second VASI box"). They would then warn all the rest of the (two) aircraft that would come and go until the birds buggered off as the sun got hot.

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hmm, this seems a little tedious, don't you think?


One of our crews found out the hard way what happens when you don't know about a flock of birds. On short final into BHB they got 32 strikes with 9 confirmed kills. The plane was grounded for almost two weeks while they replaced 1) an engine and the lower half of its nacelle, 2) both inboard leading edges, 3) the left wing leading edge, 4) three props, 5) the verticle stab leading edge, 6) both tailets, 7) the radome, 8) the radar dish, 9) one of the cockpit windows, and power wash almost the whole plane. A PIREP would have helped them out a lot that morning!
 
Wait, what are they supposed to be called? I always called them (and hunted them) as "Canada Goose."

And in Canada, its their national bird, like our American Eagle, they have their "Canada Goose."

Unless I'm missing something.
You're missing something.

You made the same assumption I and a lot people did.
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/birds/canada-goose.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_goose although I heard they they were named after a man named "Canada."

But we can still blame Canada for the "Canadian arctic cold fronts" that hit us northerners. :P
 
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hmm, this seems a little tedious, don't you think?

A warning about "birds in the vicinity" is part of the standard ATIS at KEWR, and many more airports. I've called 'em out and been warned about 'em on many a CTAF.

I once had somebody warn me about some vultures feasting on a deer carcass near the runway at an uncontrolled field... they were too busy to become a nuisance, but I wouldn't have spotted them even on final, and the warning helped me prepare to deal with them if they took flight.

It's still very hard to avoid them once they get close- almost always a big surprise- but it helps to get a heads-up, especially if they are flying in a particular area, like the hawk that used to always try to drive me away on the base leg at KMMU...:D

Closest I ever came was when a little guy shot right across the nose- between the prop and the windscreen- while I was taking off from 4N1 once. I'm just glad he was by himself...:D
 
Good info, Adam.

Never heard the "above 500' AGL" qualifier. They seem to always dive -- I don't think they have altimeters.

B)

I saw a huge flock of Geese at 12,200 over St Louis last November.

Tower alerts us to Turkeys on the field at MGW.
 
Good info, Adam.

Never heard the "above 500' AGL" qualifier. They seem to always dive -- I don't think they have altimeters.

B)

I've actually run across that somewhere else also, don't recall where, maybe an article in AOPA Pilot. It stated that birds will dive when high, climb when low but that source didn't include the "all bets are off down low" analogy.

I guess birds don't have to worry about stall/spin accidents when below 500' AGL!
 
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Good info, Adam.

Never heard the "above 500' AGL" qualifier. They seem to always dive -- I don't think they have altimeters.

B)

I saw a huge flock of Geese at 12,200 over St Louis last November.

Tower alerts us to Turkeys on the field at MGW.

Dan, the presenter even told us that its not unsusual to find birds at 16,000. There are also geese ( A banded something or other) That has been seen going over Mt. Everest.
 
Dan, the presenter even told us that its not unsusual to find birds at 16,000. There are also geese ( A banded something or other) That has been seen going over Mt. Everest.

Holy hypoxia, batman!

That's amazing. 12,200 is the highest I've seen birds so far.

I did smack at June Bug at 6000 MSL last June -- kinda surprised when I heard the big THWACK and saw the big red/black/green splotch on the windscreen.
 
The USAF has some sobering Canada Goos experience.

One E-3 was lost in an accident on 22 September 1995 at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska. All 24 crewmembers were killed in the accident. The USAF accident investigation report concluded that the accident was directly caused by the ingestion of Canada geese into No. 1 and No. 2 engines. The ingestion of the geese into the aircraft's engines caused a loss of thrust that rendered this aircraft incapable of controlled flight.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/e-3.htm
 
ive had so many close calls in the last two years with birds it hasnt even been funny. I dont know if its because I just started actually seeing them or if populations are up. Canadians are starting to migrate now. Its those big boys that really scare me. We have a couple red tail hawks at the airport and lots of turkey vultures in the area too. And a ton of little birds, Sandpipers I think, that live at the airport. Those things love to stand on the runway. I smoked one with the 421 this summer. If it isnt birds on the runway its coyote and deer. Its amazing that we havent hit anything on takeoff or landing roll.
 
And a ton of little birds, Sandpipers I think, that live at the airport. Those things love to stand on the runway. I smoked one with the 421 this summer.
The strangest incident I have had with birds was in Rockford, IL. I had just broken out after doing an ILS pretty much to minimums when I saw one LBB (little brown bird) fly off the runway, then 2, then 10, then there must have been a hundred. The NFP ducked under the panel. I think I flinched because the landing was, uh, firm. The strange part was after we taxiied in we went over the airplane very carefully, especially the engines, and couldn't find any evidence of a bird strike anywhere.
 
As I was finishing up my PPL training, I needed to get two or three landings at a towered airport to check off all the needs. I was based at Plant City Municipal at the time 7NM west of Lakeland Linder Field in Lakeland, Fl. I was cleared to land on rwy 9. Of course there were tons of black tire marks on the runway, and I paid them no mind...... until I was in the start of the flare and a couple hundred (or so it appeared) of theose "tire marks" hopped up and flew off the runway. One of them got whacked by the prop. They were pretty small marks errr,birds, but big enough to almost require a "detailed cleaning of the upholstery".:redface:
 
ive had so many close calls in the last two years with birds it hasnt even been funny. I dont know if its because I just started actually seeing them or if populations are up. Canadians are starting to migrate now. Its those big boys that really scare me. We have a couple red tail hawks at the airport and lots of turkey vultures in the area too. And a ton of little birds, Sandpipers I think, that live at the airport. Those things love to stand on the runway. I smoked one with the 421 this summer. If it isnt birds on the runway its coyote and deer. Its amazing that we havent hit anything on takeoff or landing roll.

CANADA!

On like my second or third training flight were at at 3000 feet when I saw the bird just ahead to the right and joked "What is that hawk doing at out altitude?" the CFI looked, quickly took the yoke and made a sharp bank away.
"That woulldda hurt," he said.
 
The day I soloed started out with my one and only bird strike. We were on short final and one of the swallows that hangs around OLM zigged when he should have zagged. Got him with the prop just enough to kill him, but not enough to make a mess. Watched him go past the left side of the plane after he got hit. We told the tower and one of the FBOs sent someone out to retreive the "road kill" (it was on the runway). After checking the plane for damage (none found), I went out and committed an act of aviation without someone in the right seat for the first time. That was 8 years ago and I haven't had a bird come close since. Now, I've hit a bug or two at altitude... :D
 
I've hit one turkey, one seagull, at least one buzzard and numerous smaller ones over the years. The seagull got me an extra two days in Miami on Uncle Sams dime. Had close calls with deer, armadillos and alligators. The funniest bird strike/near miss I've heard about was when my brother was doing touch n gos in a T-37 at KSHV. They were just pushing it up for the go when they spotted a hawk 10 feet above the centerline flapping like crazy but not gaining altitude. After they aborted and were about to pass under the hawk, it dropped a chicken on them!! They swerved and missed it but the conversation with tower went something like this:

"Tower, Joker 23 aborting for a hawk on centerline."

" Roger Joker 23, we'll let others know. Cleared to taxi back on the parallel."

"Joker 23 cleared to taxi on the parallel, and you might want to send somebody out to pick up the chicken on centerline about halfway down."

"Chicken? I thought you said it was hawk!"

"No. The hawk dropped the chicken."

"Where's the hawk?"

"Took off as we went by."

"I guess he didn't want to fight a 6000 pound avenging Tweety Bird for his lunch!"


Tower said later that all they found of the chicken was some feathers blowing around.
 
Tonight I was up flying and left Wings (LOM) to Pottstown Limerick (PTW). When on right base for 28, I as about to begin the turn to final as a flock of geese were moving on final ahead of me, climbing. Luckily, Distance was good and safe, and we had enough room by about 150' or so off the wing.

There was few flocks moving around tonight in that area, all below pattern altitudes.
 
At one airport, I have had dozens of seagulls about 2400 ft (mid field). I did not worry about them too much because I am able to get up and well above them by that point.

But, at another airport I have had say several hundred small birds, like swallows on the runway about 800 ft down field. What would be the best action to take when faced with this, taking off in a turbo 182?

A) Take off and hope you miss them all.
B] Taxi back to the other end and take off down wind with 3000 ft before the flock.
C) Wait until they are gone (they seem to not want to go anywhere soon).
 
At one airport, I have had dozens of seagulls about 2400 ft (mid field). I did not worry about them too much because I am able to get up and well above them by that point.

But, at another airport I have had say several hundred small birds, like swallows on the runway about 800 ft down field. What would be the best action to take when faced with this, taking off in a turbo 182?

A) Take off and hope you miss them all.
B] Taxi back to the other end and take off down wind with 3000 ft before the flock.
C) Wait until they are gone (they seem to not want to go anywhere soon).

D) Make left closed traffic, then get a garbage bag to collect your free dinner.
 
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