best LED T8 bulbs?

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My garage has six fixtures with two T8 bulbs apiece. I think one fixture has a failed ballast, as the bulbs won't light and changing the bulbs has no effect. Is bypassing the ballast and going LED worth it at this point?

Generally, I have been underwhelmed by the lifespan of LED bulbs that I have deployed in incandescent fixtures. Upward-facing fixtures have fared better than downward-facing cans, presumably due to better cooling.
 
Costco has 48" led shop lights for $20/each. Hard to beat.
 
I’m slowly replacing all my fluorescent T8’s w LED. Been impressed w HYPERIKON brand - there are others cheaper, but 5yr warranty speaks for something, .....I guess.
Really like not hearing that subliminal hum, and I’m sick of ballasts going TU.

Off topic - what’s everyone do w their burned out fluorescents ?....nobody seems to take them at recycling centers.
 
There are two types of led T-8 tubes. There is a "plug and play" type that is a direct replacement if you have a working electronic ballast, and
There is a "direct wire" type that requires removal of the ballast, rewiring the fixture and may require new "tombstone" sockets. There are many videos on youtube showing the conversion.
 
Worth it. I have been buying Keystone lamps for around $8. Dont know if they are the best but havent had any problems.
 
wrbix said:
I’m slowly replacing all my fluorescent T8’s w LED. Been impressed w HYPERIKON brand - there are others cheaper, but 5yr warranty speaks for something, .....I guess.
Really like not hearing that subliminal hum, and I’m sick of ballasts going TU.

Off topic - what’s everyone do w their burned out fluorescents ?....nobody seems to take them at recycling centers.
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In my county they're "officially" accepted at the county waste / recycling facility several times a year; but if you only have a few of them, they'll usually accept them any time and set them aside until the next "official" collection day.

Rich
 
GeorgeC said:
My garage has six fixtures with two T8 bulbs apiece. I think one fixture has a failed ballast, as the bulbs won't light and changing the bulbs has no effect. Is bypassing the ballast and going LED worth it at this point?

Generally, I have been underwhelmed by the lifespan of LED bulbs that I have deployed in incandescent fixtures. Upward-facing fixtures have fared better than downward-facing cans, presumably due to better cooling.
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I've yet to have an LED replacement for an incandescent bulb fail. I did have one that never worked at all; but none that have ever worked have ever failed.

Rich
 
I'll second the Hyperikon endorsement if you're shopping brands. I bought a 4-pack about 3 years ago and cut the ballasts out of a couple fixtures in my shop. They're bright like stadium lights and come on full bright right away even when the shop its 10 degrees in the shop. After my experience with them I decided to convert all the remaining dozen fixtures in my shop a few months back. I didn't use the Hyperikon this time, just bought whatever brand Menards had that was suitable for ballast bypass.

Since I was converting everything anyway, I even removed the electronic ballasts from the few newer fixtures I had. I did this partly because I saw no point in having a ballast in there sucking power when its not needed. But mostly I did it because those electronic ballasts (at least the ones I had) make a lot of noise. With all the dinosaur ballasts gone and those fixtures now silent, I wasn't going to leave those electronic ballasts in there buzzing away like a broken door bell, so out they came. Shop lights are dead silent now. I can't comment on the long term durability of the Menards bulbs since I only did the conversion a few months back. But so far, they seem no different from the Hyperikons. Nice and bright even in the cold, and silent.
 
Thanks. I pulled the ballast last night and ordered the hyperikons.
 
One thing to keep in mind. How you wire the fixture after you pull the ballast out depends on the bulbs you put back in. Some bulbs need the hot wire to both posts on one end and the negative to both posts on the other. Other bulbs need the hot wire to one post and negative to the post next to it and nothing to the posts on the other end.
 
I got the dual-ended bulbs. In retrospect, the single-ended ones would have needed shorter wire runs. That said, rewiring the "tombstones" was trivially easy.
 
We reworked 3 2-tube and 1 4-tube fixtures by removing the ballasts and replacing the tombstones on one end of each. Kits for the tombstone replacements and 10 LED tubes less than $80 at the electric supply house and about an hour's work. Even if the tubes last half advertised, money ahead real quick.
 
Two fixtures done. Very nice, great success.
 
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Costco currently has Feit drop in LED replacements for $13/3500lumens/28watts per pair. They also have the entire LED light fixture for $20/4000lumens/42watts. Seems like the drop-in tube replacements are the way to go from an $/lumen and lumen/watt standpoint, but what about the old ballast? Will there be a significant drop in efficiency from re-using the old ballast when installing the drop-ins?
 
asicer said:
Costco currently has Feit drop in LED replacements for $13/3500lumens/28watts per pair. They also have the entire LED light fixture for $20/4000lumens/42watts. Seems like the drop-in tube replacements are the way to go from an $/lumen and lumen/watt standpoint, but what about the old ballast? Will there be a significant drop in efficiency from re-using the old ballast when installing the drop-ins?
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I would check if those drop in sets can be used without the ballast. If so, I would absolutely open up the fixture and wire around the ballast. Since the ballast is a fairly high failure rate item, most good fixtures should make it easy to access and wire. The ones I did recently, I removed the wire nuts connecting power in to the ballast, cut the wires at the ballast that were going to the tombstones, stripped them, and wired them up to the wires entering the fixture with the same wirenuts I had removed. I would have physically removed the ballast as well, but for some odd reason the screw entered from the back, and I would have had to lower the fixture to pull it. Sort of thankful I decided to go this way instead of new T8 and ballasts.
 
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I would check if those drop in sets can be used without the ballast.
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I downloaded the spec sheet from Feit and looks like that's not an option.

Weird that the tubes alone are more efficient than the entire assembly. You'd think that it would be the other way around.
 
RJM62 said:
I've yet to have an LED replacement for an incandescent bulb fail. I did have one that never worked at all; but none that have ever worked have ever failed.
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Interesting. The pair of Crees in my living room just died within a day of each other. I'd have to look up roughly when I bought them. I replaced them with 75W equivalents from my local hardware store this morning. I've taken to writing the install date on the lamp bases...
 
GeorgeC said:
Interesting. The pair of Crees in my living room just died within a day of each other. I'd have to look up roughly when I bought them. I replaced them with 75W equivalents from my local hardware store this morning. I've taken to writing the install date on the lamp bases...
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I've had a couple of earlier generation 1600 lumen units fail too. But the failure rate so far still beats incandescent and fluorescent.
 
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Just received a case of Toggled T8 LEDs, after doing a trial run on one fixture.

Toggled carries one of the very few direct wire, non-ballast T8 lamps that are dimmable. Both of which are important to me.

As said earlier, ballasts buzz, are inefficient, and will fail. I also wanted these fixtures to run off Z-wave dimmers, so I don’t always have to have the whole shop/garage lit up full bright, and I can control the house lighting remotely.

So far, they seem to do exactly what I wanted them to do.

Same bulbs as sold at Home Depot, but significantly cheaper in case quantities from their MI main office.

If you buy the Home Depot bulbs, be careful as they have been upgraded, and I saw 1600 and 2000 lumen bulbs as mixed stock at the same price.

https://store.toggled.com/collections/all/d-series
 
Quite annoying that the ballast bypass LED conversion bulb companies can’t agree which way to feed the 4 pins.
 
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Quite annoying that the ballast bypass LED conversion bulb companies can’t agree which way to feed the 4 pins.
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Agree.

And it will cause problems in the future trying to find the right replacement bulbs for previously converted fixtures.

I plan to hold onto several spares to prolong the inevitable.
 
ElPaso Pilot said:
As said earlier, ballasts buzz, are inefficient, and will fail. I also wanted these fixtures to run off Z-wave dimmers, so I don’t always have to have the whole shop/garage lit up full bright, and I can control the house lighting remotely.
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My garage was built with outlets for each light(ceiling mounted LED shop lights x8) so I went with a Z-Wave outlet per light and then a wall controller with 5 buttons, 4 control a pair of lights, #5 controls them all. Worked well for my situation, but probably more cost than just dimming all of them in parallel would have been.
 
chartbundle said:
My garage was built with outlets for each light(ceiling mounted LED shop lights x8) so I went with a Z-Wave outlet per light and then a wall controller with 5 buttons, 4 control a pair of lights, #5 controls them all. Worked well for my situation, but probably more cost than just dimming all of them in parallel would have been.
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Similar here, but 9 fixtures hardwired into 7 switches spread across different walls (!?!)

Takes a full lap around the garage to turn on or off the lights.

BTW, which bulb did you end up using? Direct wire or no?
 
ElPaso Pilot said:
BTW, which bulb did you end up using? Direct wire or no?
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These are the finest in cheap cord connected LED lights not retrofits they even have 4" pull chains should I need them. They're presumably whatever 4 foot 2 bulb LED light the electrician got cheapest, so no idea if they're dimmable or anything else.
 
wrbix said:
I’m slowly replacing all my fluorescent T8’s w LED. Been impressed w HYPERIKON brand - there are others cheaper, but 5yr warranty speaks for something, .....I guess.
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4.5 years later and some segments are starting to fail on the hyperikons.
 
Hmmmm. Let's see if the 5 year warranty was worth the paper it was printed on.

Assuming you kept the receipts, original packaging, pay the return freight, and every other hoop they throw in front of you to pay out...


Oh, wait.

as of June 30, 2020 ... Hyperikon customer service is permanently closed. Unfortunately those with defective lights will not be able to get tech help or replacements.
 
How many folks are switching from fluorescent fixture replacements to the high lumen LED lights with adjustable panels?
 
Mine are T-5 Phillips tubes from Home Depot. I have 54 installed plug-and-play in my 9 6-tube fixtures. Big electricity savings, lots of light, and they’ve been perfect for 3+ years and counting. If your fixtures have ballasts? Get tubes that work without modification. Easy peasy.
 

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masloki said:
How many folks are switching from fluorescent fixture replacements to the high lumen LED lights with adjustable panels?
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We've swapped out our office lights to the adjustable panels. 3 dimmer settings and 3 or 3 color temp settings. Much nicer than the old 4' fluorescent tubes.
 
I've been swapping bulbs at a place I volunteer at. I'm using the ballast bypass(Type B) that way once the ballasts fail I don't have to do them again and the ballasts are already failing.

It adds a few minutes per fixture but still pretty simple.
 
chartbundle said:
I've been swapping bulbs at a place I volunteer at. I'm using the ballast bypass(Type B) that way once the ballasts fail I don't have to do them again and the ballasts are already failing.

It adds a few minutes per fixture but still pretty simple.
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Same here. Plus it's more efficient not running an old, sometimes buzzy ballast.
 
Replacing with...
(sfx: random amazon/pharma brand name generator)
Parmida

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077YV5J51

20 bulbs for $87, compared to $44 for 4. BLS CPI calculator says $44 in 2019 dollars is $53 in 2023 dollars.
 
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