Watched the girl in an interview tonight on national news. She said her step-grandparents were alive and she tried to get them out but couldn't. She's has burns on her right hand and back. She watched them burn to death. That's going to be a lot for a 16 yr. old to handle.
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That's tough. Sure seems like she decided, "Forget this, I'm not going to quit and die. I'm going home."
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The news reports are a little conflicting, we really don't know which trail brought her out to the highway, there are several in that area. plus we don't know if she walked parallel to the highway in one of the creek beds until she crossed a trail.
She did say they hit the trees, it doesn't take far off the highway to be above the treeline.
She did say they hit the trees, it doesn't take far off the highway to be above the treeline.
She also stated that when she got to the highway, a lot of cars passed her by and didn't stop until the two guys stopped and drove her to the convenience store. Wonder what those folks who passed her by are thinking now that they know "the rest of the story."
Unless someone ( guy or gal) looks really distressed ,, I don't stop and pick up ANYONE...
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Unless someone ( guy or gal) looks really distressed ,, I don't stop and pick up ANYONE...
A girl all alone? on a highway that has no services for 89 miles? I think I'd stop.
We do see the typical hiker almost every time we cross the north Cascades Highway. I don't stop for them. I will stop for broke down cars too.
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Latest on CNN says both grandparents were alive and screaming as she was trying to pull them out, but couldn't.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/washington-plane-crash-survivor/index.html
I pray for her mental healing.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/washington-plane-crash-survivor/index.html
I pray for her mental healing.
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That's awful.
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Maybe, maybe not, this is a prime opportunity for a liability claim on the aircraft's liability policy.
Not saying they will make a claim, but some one is going to pay the hospital bill, the wreckage clean up. etc.
She certainly deserves some thing for her trauma.
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Well, I guess I understand the tangible benefit for the living. My comment was meant for the deceased.
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I don't disagree with that, but personally, I think I'd rather be poor than go through my entire adult life rich and carrying around that memory.
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Fire, my second biggest fear, right next to being trapped.
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I agree, but she has the memory, what now?
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+1.000.000
Being trapped, next to my beloved wife, the fire is coming, while my granddaughter frantically tries to pull us out. And all of this because I did something stupid.
Can't think of a more horrific way to go...
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In this day of GPS enabled terrain tools (like foreflight or just about any Garmin GPS) it surprises me that anyone making the (stupid) decision to fly through clouds without a clearance has a CFIT accident.
I mean, if you _know_ you're breaking the rules, wouldn't you use all the tools at your disposal to make damn sure you don't hit a mountain!?
I mean, if you _know_ you're breaking the rules, wouldn't you use all the tools at your disposal to make damn sure you don't hit a mountain!?
I'd be very surprised if he had GPS anything with a 1949 A35.
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Why should a tablet or portable GPS not work in a 1949 A35?
All the newer apps and dedicated GPS have terrain warning built in, AFAIK.
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According to the 16 year-old he did. And he started fumbling with it after he went into the clouds but couldn't figure out how to work it.
I don't know many 70 something year olds living in Montana who have tablets.Why should a tablet or portable GPS not work in a 1949 A35?
All the newer apps and dedicated GPS have terrain warning built in, AFAIK.
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How many do you actually know?
None. What's 0/0?
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If you know none, how would you know they don't have iPADs? cell phones? etc.
I'm being facetious. 0/0 is impossible. Also a cell phone isn't a tablet.
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Well, I know older pilot who do. Now what?
You were also referring to the age of the plane not the pilot.
Also, there are many apps available, which also run on smartphones. I use iFly, which runs flawlessly on my iPhone, my wife's Android phone and our Android tablet. It also provides terrain warnings.
Frankly, the impression I am gaining of the pilot is not too positive. It seems like he did not really have a clue of what he was doing, pushed the limits and did not even know how to use the tools he had at his disposal.
Looks like he showed at least the hazardous attitudes 'anti-authority' (who cares if I enter the clouds) and 'macho' (I can do this in my personal airliner). http://flighttraining.aopa.org/magazine/1999/September/199909_Features_Hazardous_Attitudes.html
Uhhh - did I just describe the typical person who gave V-tailed-doctor-killers their bad name!?
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Well, I know older pilot who do. Now what?
You were also referring to the age of the plane not the pilot.
Also, there are many apps available, which also run on smartphones. I use iFly, which runs flawlessly on my iPhone, my wife's Android phone and our Android tablet. It also provides terrain warnings.
Frankly, the impression I am gaining of the pilot is not too positive. It seems like he did not really have a clue of what he was doing, pushed the limits and did not even know how to use the tools he had at his disposal.
Looks like he showed at least the hazardous attitudes 'anti-authority' (who cares if I enter the clouds) and 'macho' (I can do this in my personal airliner). http://flighttraining.aopa.org/magazine/1999/September/199909_Features_Hazardous_Attitudes.html
Uhhh - did I just describe the typical person who gave V-tailed-doctor-killers their bad name!?
Are some of these (fly), programs dependent upon cell phone reception? he would not have cell reception in that area.
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All the popular apps (iFly, Garmin Pilot, Foreflight, WingX, etc.) work offline. The only time you need to be online is when you download the maps, airport- and terrain databases. I tried multiple apps over time, all of them would download the terrain database automatically with the intial setup of the program. Also, the downloaded data remains functional, even if it is obsolete.
In iFly, and I assume that this is similar in most apps, all you need to do is to mark the option to show 'Terrain Highlight' and it will mark potentially dangerous terrain yellow or red, depending on whether you are still slightly above the terrain or not.
In order to see my position on the sectional, as well as the 'Terrain Highlights', all I need to do is to launch the app and to wait up to a minute until the GPS has a fix. That's it.
If this gentlemen has however never activated the terrain warnings, uses an app in which this works differently, never downloaded the database or somehow messed up the settings, this is of course an entirely different story...
The map settings in iFly, on my (rather tiny) iPhone screen:
This is what the terrain highlights (the yellow and red markings) would have looked like at the crash site on the world area chart and at a altitude of 7,172 ft. Please also note the profile view on the top right corner of the screen. It shows you way in advance whether you will hit something:
Same position, bigger range. It appears as whether he could have simply turned around and followed the long lake to the southeast:
I think that such smartphone / tablet apps are a great and cheap tool for situational awareness in case things go sideways...
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