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I had a dream last night, of something that happened a while ago...

When I was a relatively young police officer, I was sent one afternoon to the residence of an elderly gentlewoman in a nice neighborhood on the south side of town, to deliver the news that her husband had been killed in a small airplane crash. She was alone, so I sat with her a while until her adult son could drive from his office downtown. As a relatively new officer this was my first real death notification without a more senior officer present, usually the police chaplains took care of them but I think they were unavailable or somesuch and there was a time factor because the crash was going to be on the TV news...so I was sent. But I was very uncomfortable. She was gracious in her grief, and was probably more concerned about me than I was of her :redface: Anyway, then I knew little about being a pilot and was not interested in flying, so I never really followed up on the rest of the story. until now.

http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=ATL93LA137&rpt=fi

Not sure why I had that dream, but today I looked up the accident in the database. Carb ice forced an attempted off-airport landing in a homebuilt which has a pretty high stall speed as I understand it.

Just one of many stories floating around in my brain I guess.

I get carb ice relatively often in my aircraft, so it is hard to understand why someone wouldn't recognize the signs...but who knows? Never definitively proven.
 
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There was a post speaking about sudden and severe carb icing given a specific temp and humidity range. Also, if you've never experienced it, light carb icing might go undetected. You might, for instance, think it was a fouled plug. I've ridden with instructors who notice a rough idling engine and "fiddle" with it until it smooths out. Fouled plug or carb icing?
And let's remember, things get away from you.
 
This will always be a who knows accident. I would find it helpful if the NTSB would take these reports one step further and describe what about the off field landing contributed to the fatality. For example, Did the plan hit a tree or did if flip.

As a side note, I've always thought that death notifications have got to be even harder for cops than actually being at the scene.
 
I had a bad dream last night as well. I was in Europe. *shudder*
 
alaskaflyer said:
I get carb ice relatively often in my aircraft, so it is hard to understand why someone wouldn't recognize the signs...but who knows? Never definitively proven.
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I can understand it. I've been told about someone who got carb ice when they took a 152 out on a flight and wound up, shall we say, "landing unexpectedly." They had done all their training in fuel injected 172s, so had never really had to deal with carburetors. Heck, that could have been me. My first experience with a carburated plane was a week in New Zealand, and I haven't been back in one since!
 
alaskaflyer said:
I get carb ice relatively often in my aircraft, so it is hard to understand why someone wouldn't recognize the signs...but who knows? Never definitively proven.
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I've had it twice that I know of. And it snuck up on me the second time. A month or so ago I was up with my CFII and we spent some time in actual IMC. As we were being vectored to the approach to the home drome I noticed I kept losing manifold pressure. Now, my initial reaction was that it was CFI induced, so I kept adding throttle. When it came time to add carb heat for the approach all you know what broke lose. Got rid of the heat and things settled down. Broght it back on gently, melted the ice a little more slowly and things returned to normal. He hadn't touched the throttle at all. So, when you see it once every 7 years or so, it can surprise you.
 
AdamZ said:
As a side note, I've always thought that death notifications have got to be even harder for cops than actually being at the scene.
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Most definitely! I don't know how the PD chaplains do it all the time. Only other calls I hated worse were welfare checks on an elderly individual who hadn't been heard from or seen in a week in the middle of the summer, and of course anything having to do with hurting a child.
 
Richard -
Did you work for the Smyrna PD or Rutherford County Sheriff department?
 
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flyingcheesehead said:
You really have no idea. Europe is different, but I really like it.
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Europe is different and different parts of Europe, even in the same country, are as different from each other as different parts of the US are different from each other.

There are parts of each that I really like and parts of each that I really do not like.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Hey Ed,

Tony's cookies are made of dog crap. ;)

Can I have yours? :D

You really have no idea. Europe is different, but I really like it.
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I've not had any of Tony's cookies. They've always been gone before I got any. And it doesn't surprise me of those who like/love Europe and those who would not be disappointed if they never set foot there/went back. It 'generally' falls along political lines.
 
alaskaflyer said:
Neither...Metro. He lived in one of the nice neighborhoods out past Green Hills, but kept the plane at Smyrna for some reason.
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I have several friends and acquaintances with Metro. They really do have a well deserved good reputation. When were you here?
 
Anyone who uses political considerations for refusing to go to europe is being foolishly political, in my book. It's a very interesting place, full of experiences you can't get anywhere else. :)
 
EdFred said:
And it doesn't surprise me of those who like/love Europe and those who would not be disappointed if they never set foot there/went back. It 'generally' falls along political lines.
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Uhhh... You've been listening to too much Rush (L). I don't go to Europe and say "Jeez, I love how 'liberal' it is here!" For the most part, the scenery is interesting, the people are nice, and people aren't in such a damn hurry all the time. Kind of like being out west, with more people and less rocks.

etsisk said:
Anyone who uses political considerations for refusing to go to europe is being foolishly political, in my book. It's a very interesting place, full of experiences you can't get anywhere else. :)
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There ya go. Right on, Tom!

So really, Ed... What is it you hate about Europe so much?
 
kevin47881 said:
I have several friends and acquaintances with Metro. They really do have a well deserved good reputation. When were you here?
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'91 to '98. Lived in Acklen Park, Bellevue, Green Hills, and downtown. Lived in Bellevue for a while as a kid, then Hendersoville before moving to Memphis in high school.
 
EdFred said:
I had a bad dream last night as well. I was in Europe. *shudder*
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Ed- to each their own. Rome and London (at least parts of them) are an enormous open air muesum. I suppose parts of Greece are like that as well.

The parts of Lisbon, Hamburg, and Munich I've been in are just cities- the culture & people are different. Dachau- nice town now, I wish history would have been different so the place would only be an relatively unknown town. Places near Munich- interesting scenary but I wouldn't have gone unless I already had a reason to be in the area.
 
alaskaflyer said:
'91 to '98. Lived in Acklen Park, Bellevue, Green Hills, and downtown. Lived in Bellevue for a while as a kid, then Hendersoville before moving to Memphis in high school.
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When we moved up here we bought a house in Mt. Juliet. Then in the mid-90's we moved to Joelton to get some land and away from the crowed.

We've been attending Bellevue Community Church since they were in the middle school.

They have finally put a North precinct in place. It is situated at the intersection of Clarksville Pike and MetroCenter Blvd.
 
etsisk said:
Anyone who uses political considerations for refusing to go to europe is being foolishly political, in my book. It's a very interesting place, full of experiences you can't get anywhere else. :)
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I never said it was political considerations that kept me from going there. I simply said is seems that the people from the States that love Europe *tend* to be lefty leaning. Prison is an interesting place too, it doesn't mean I want to experience it.

flyingcheesehead said:
Uhhh... You've been listening to too much Rush (L). I don't go to Europe and say "Jeez, I love how 'liberal' it is here!" For the most part, the scenery is interesting, the people are nice, and people aren't in such a damn hurry all the time. Kind of like being out west, with more people and less rocks.

There ya go. Right on, Tom!

So really, Ed... What is it you hate about Europe so much?
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Ah there it was - the liberal bastion - throw out a Rush Limbaugh comment as a rebuttal. Awesome! Well, sorry to disappoint you, I haven't listened to Rush since somewhere around 1995 or 1996, and even then it wasn't my radio he was playing on. To answer your question, too many damn people. Other than Scandinavia, Russia, and a couple of the other former Soviet Republics it's just too damn crowded. Couple that with the anti-GA attitude, along with the general America Sucks attitude that's out there lately, no thanks. If I wanted to be in a crowded place where people weren't in a hurry, I could go to any number of US inner cities. As I said in another thread, other than a couple of man made things, there's almost nothing in Europe I can't find somewhere else in the world.
 
I have no real interest in going to Europe even if I could afford it. I'd rather visit Japan of most foreign lands, particularly Okinawa.

It's not out of political issues or otherwise. It's just not an interest. Given European attitudes of the United States, that doesn't help me lean toward ever going.
 
EdFred said:
As I said in another thread, other than a couple of man made things, there's almost nothing in Europe I can't find somewhere else in the world.
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You'll never actually know if that's even true, Ed. Your loss. I just don't know why someone would intentionally reduce their potential, but I see it all the time, from people who won't eat some place that they haven't always eaten to people who won't try things that they don't already do.

Makes no sense to me, but then, it doesn't have to, I reckon. It's your problem! :)
 
etsisk said:
You'll never actually know if that's even true, Ed. Your loss. I just don't know why someone would intentionally reduce their potential, but I see it all the time, from people who won't eat some place that they haven't always eaten to people who won't try things that they don't already do.

Makes no sense to me, but then, it doesn't have to, I reckon. It's your problem! :)
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You're wasting your time... Posters like him reveal more about his own narrow mindedness than anything else. Anybody who has traveled throughout Europe extensively KNOWS better.

I rather see guys like him stay at home then go overseas, complain the entire time and fulfill the typical "Ugly American" stereotype.
 
etsisk said:
You'll never actually know if that's even true, Ed. Your loss. I just don't know why someone would intentionally reduce their potential, but I see it all the time, from people who won't eat some place that they haven't always eaten to people who won't try things that they don't already do.

Makes no sense to me, but then, it doesn't have to, I reckon. It's your problem! :)
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Really? I can't?

Mountains: Found on every other permanently inhabited continent.
Rivers: Yep, those too.
Lakes: Check
Forests: Check
Fjords: Check
Beaches: Check

So really, what non man-made things does Europe have to offer that I can't find somewhere else? And for that matter, I can find a whole heck of a lot more NOT in Europe. Savannahs, deserts, tropical rain forests, etc...

My idea of a vacation or a place to visit, is not surrounding myself with millions of people who hate me because of where I was born.

Flyfishingpilot said:
You're wasting your time... Posters like him reveal more about his own narrow mindedness than anything else. Anybody who has traveled throughout Europe extensively KNOWS better.

I rather see guys like him stay at home then go overseas, complain the entire time and fulfill the typical "Ugly American" stereotype.
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And you can tell all of this, just because I don't want to visit the continent with the highest population density on the planet? You have absolutely no clue what kind of guy I am.
 
EdFred said:
Really? I can't?

Mountains: Found on every other permanently inhabited continent.
Rivers: Yep, those too.
Lakes: Check
Forests: Check
Fjords: Check
Beaches: Check

So really, what non man-made things does Europe have to offer that I can't find somewhere else? And for that matter, I can find a whole heck of a lot more NOT in Europe. Savannahs, deserts, tropical rain forests, etc...

My idea of a vacation or a place to visit, is not surrounding myself with millions of people who hate me because of where I was born.



And you can tell all of this, just because I don't want to visit the continent with the highest population density on the planet? You have absolutely no clue what kind of guy I am.
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So thousands of years of human invention in music, art, architecture, etc are meaningless to you?? :confused: Interaction with folks of differing cultures means nothing? Even those cultures from whence your own ancestors sprang??? I don't get it, but again, it's not my problem... :no:

And you're wrong, Ed - over time you've given us PLENTY of clues as to what kind of guy you are! :yes: (and I'm not saying that as a smack, I'm just sayin', is all...)
 
etsisk said:
So thousands of years of human invention in music, art, architecture, etc are meaningless to you?? :confused: Interaction with folks of differing cultures means nothing? Even those cultures from whence your own ancestors sprang??? I don't get it, but again, it's not my problem... :no:

And you're wrong, Ed - over time you've given us PLENTY of clues as to what kind of guy you are! :yes: (and I'm not saying that as a smack, I'm just sayin', is all...)
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It's really not my thing. I'd much rather do an Amazon River trip, an African safari, go on a walkabout, drift among the cays, or hike through the mountains with a minimal chance of running into other people. There are a couple of interesting Churches and other structures that might be interesting to see, but not enough that I want to plan an entire vacation around it. And I certainly don't want to see them along side thousands of other people.
 
I've been to Europe a number of times over the years. Once in a while for vacation, usually for business (twice this year). It is interesting with many cultural attractions. And, I haven't run into the rabid anti-American attitude that so many complain about. Maybe it's just the crowd I hang out with. Some may question a thing or two, but "anti-American" is not how I would characterize it. I question some things they do, but I'm not "anti-European".

Now some other activities -

Took a safari in Kruger National Park after business meetings in Cape Town, South Africa three years ago. I can't recommend it highly enough. "Fantastic" falls short.

Been to Brazil 3 times. Now, the trips were for meetings in Sao Paolo (and once in Brasilia), so I'm not going to pretend to really know anything about the country. But they mix much better Couperin's (Sp?) than I've had anywhere else. :yes:

Thailand? Experience is limited to two trips to Bangkok. If you are looking for fabulous palaces, go there and skip Europe. The Grand Palace beats anything I've seen in Europe.

Vietnam. I missed the war (was in ROTC when it ended), but went to Hanoi on business last year. Had time for a sightseeing tour while I was there. Scenically that is a beautiful part of the world. Much more to see.

Oh, and I've set foot in all 50 states, too.

So, Ed, I think you're making assumptions not based on evidence available in dissing Europe, but you are right about there being other parts of the world well worth visiting, as well.
 
What was the thought in original post on this thread, again? I'm getting lost!
 
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