At what point is it no longer a plane?

Stingray Don said:
There is a long waiting list for hangars and we have squatters storing aircraft parts. I think I may have the only flyable plane in my row
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I know in Juneau a year or two ago the airport came through and inspected all the hangers and what was being stored in them. I think it had something to do with the FAA giving money for airport improvements. Juneau is class D.
 
Caramon13 said:
One hangar I remember had like five G5's in it and a cherokee...lol..
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My flight school has most of their planes tied down...there is a large hanger though. It has 2 large jets(1 a gulf stream I believe). Then some smaller jets and single and twin engine turbo props all packed in there. Then at the front? Oh a single little C172 the flight school owns. :D
 
AKBill said:
I know in Juneau a year or two ago the airport came through and inspected all the hangers and what was being stored in them. I think it had something to do with the FAA giving money for airport improvements. Juneau is class D.
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This all has to do with "Grant Assurances" the FAA needs to be assured that the money they give to airports is used for the aviation use.
 
On another forum a few years ago there was an airport that had a auto repair shop operating out of a hanger. It had been there for years AND there was a waiting list for hangers. I don't remember if that got resolved or not but I lean in the airport, airplanes of some sort direction and if you have room sure slide something else in there too. I share a heated hanger that I spent 4 years rebuilding my little bipe in. It did not fly then but does now as often as I can get away in her!.
 
Caramon13 said:
We have a couple people at my airport that use their hangars to build experimental aircraft and/or store parts for the builds. We also have a waiting list that some people have been on for many years. So, while I agree a hangar is a great place to build it, taking up a slot like that as nothing more than a "work area" is inconveniencing those folks that have aircraft they want to house.

Use your garage, or get a storage rental someplace, it's probably cheaper than a hangar actually. The cost savings at the end you can use to transport your plane to where it needs to go.

@pigpenracing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy is why violators get away with things for as long as they do. I don't know why people think that turning the other cheek is such a great idea. All it does is say you are complacent about enforcing rules and policies, which are in place for a reason. Don't like it? Change the rules or policies. I think @Stingray Don should bring it up, or at least plant the seed with management that there may be a problem without outright accusing people. There are ways to "inform" without actually being a finger pointer.
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I wholeheartedly agree with your comments on don't ask don't tell. I am bothered by folks who think that "snitching", "ratting out", etc are bad behaviors while the actual rules violator is ok. Ridiculous.

However I disagree with you on saying to use your garage or a rental unit to build an aircraft. The reason to do it on an airport is to be able to avail oneself of technical resources and expertise that exist there. Fellow builders or an A&P on field can provide guidance and assistance. They might also have special tooling that you can borrow.
 
SkyDog58 said:
I wholeheartedly agree with your comments on don't ask don't tell. I am bothered by folks who think that "snitching", "ratting out", etc are bad behaviors while the actual rules violator is ok. Ridiculous.

However I disagree with you on saying to use your garage or a rental unit to build an aircraft. The reason to do it on an airport is to be able to avail oneself of technical resources and expertise that exist there. Fellow builders or an A&P on field can provide guidance and assistance. They might also have special tooling that you can borrow.
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I didn't say that building an airplane in a hangar was wrong. I said storing parts in a hangar while you build in another hangar is wrong. I have nothing against people who build an airplane in a hangar. I know a few on my home field that do it :).
 
Caramon13 said:
I didn't say that building an airplane in a hangar was wrong. I said storing parts in a hangar while you build in another hangar is wrong. I have nothing against people who build an airplane in a hangar. I know a few on my home field that do it :).
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I guess I misread. Apologies.
 
If the airport takes federal money, federal rules apply. Some one already posted a link to them. They were revised 2 or 3 years ago to be more reasonable with regard to non-aviation stuff being acceptable as long as it didn't limit the aeronautical use of the hangar. The FAA will react to formal complaints regarding lack of compliance with any of their rules but they normally aren't out there looking for problems.
 
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