Anybody want to buy a nice 310?

GRG55 said:
Like every garage it looks like he built it too small :)
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Nothing a few more lifts couldn't fix. We built it to accommodate around 50 vehicles, but that doesn't allow access to all vehicles all the time. Hangar rash is a real risk also.
 
Be a good egg and take it easy in that machine until you have a few more hours. No one will call you Chicken if you don't test an approach to minimums just yet or go threading your way between thunderstorms. And have fun.
 
Mason said:
Be a good egg and take it easy in that machine until you have a few more hours. No one will call you Chicken if you don't test an approach to minimums just yet or go threading your way between thunderstorms. And have fun.
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Roger. I've got a training plan in place and personal minimums set.
 
Well done EggMan! Sounds like you had excellent training. Enjoy the ride and respect the weather. ;):)
 
 
That's awesome!! What a fantastic thread. Thanks for keeping us all in the loop.
 
I'll let you know when I go home tomorrow. I was truing about 280ktas so the trip home would be more like 230. :)
 
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James_Dean said:
I'll let you know when I go home tomorrow. I was truing about 280ktas so the trip home would be more like 230. :)
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The boss would always start cursing whenever we were seeing under 200 GS in the Commander.
 
James_Dean said:
I'll let you know when I go home tomorrow. I was truing about 280ktas so the trip home would be more like 230. :)
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Nice! But with the money you're spending, I can't help but think you might be better off having a professional crew fly you in a jet trueing 500+ knots for the occasional trip and keep the 310 for short trips. That would be cheaper... I get flying yourself is fun though and the new ride is pretty amazing.
 
bikert said:
Nice! But with the money you're spending, I can't help but think you might be better off having a professional crew fly you in a jet trueing 500+ knots for the occasional trip and keep the 310 for short trips. That would be cheaper... I get flying yourself is fun though and the new ride is pretty amazing.
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For the (very large) amount of travel he does, I disagree with your cost assessment of a professional crew in a jet being cheaper. Reality is the 310 speed wise is a bit marginal for Eggman's trips (it is for mine, too). He and I have been competing for who wins the 310 Iron Butt award this year, and he's been winning.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
For the (very large) amount of travel he does, I disagree with your cost assessment of a professional crew in a jet being cheaper. Reality is the 310 speed wise is a bit marginal for Eggman's trips (it is for mine, too). He and I have been competing for who wins the 310 Iron Butt award this year, and he's been winning.
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It depends on how many people go with him... I've done this computation myself and for my numbers of 6-10 people it is cheaper to just get a charter in most cases.
 
bikert said:
Nice! But with the money you're spending, I can't help but think you might be better off having a professional crew fly you in a jet trueing 500+ knots for the occasional trip and keep the 310 for short trips. That would be cheaper... I get flying yourself is fun though and the new ride is pretty amazing.
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I've run the model and that path would double my costs at a minimum. Remember that I've got the local 135 outfit that flies three other conquest I's so I'm not paying service center mx costs and have a ready supply of pro pilots at my disposal already when needed. What jet in a class I would step into would true at 500+?
 
James_Dean said:
I've run the model and that path would double my costs at a minimum. Remember that I've got the local 135 outfit that flies three other conquest I's so I'm not paying service center mx costs and have a ready supply of pro pilots at my disposal already when needed. What jet in a class I would step into would true at 500+?
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Okay good sounds like you have a good plan with the availability of pro pilots when needed. Flying yourself probably does not make a whole lot of sense when you can get a pro pilot to do it for cheaper and most likely with a higher level of competence. I'm sure you've run the numbers for yourself. Like I said I've looked at it for my business needs and I cannot make it work so kudos to you. I will content myself with flying myself occasionally for fun.
 
Certainly the airlines are cheaper in the short run and you do have to put a high value on your time to begin for it to make sense. At some point you also have to factor in the time/money I would spend defending an insanity plea after I went postal on a gate agent. I was about at that point before I started flying the 310.*

*no I'm not actually insane and would not actually harm anyone, but it was causing terrible stress.

I've got 40+ locations to look after and travel somewhere almost every week. I was averaging 150+ segments a year and spending so much damn time at hubs I wasn't able to be as effective as I could be. Flying myself has improved my life immeasurably.
 
James_Dean said:
I've got 40+ locations to look after and travel somewhere almost every week. I was averaging 150+ segments a year and spending so much damn time at hubs I wasn't able to be as effective as I could be. Flying myself has improved my life immeasurably.
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If you are not based in a hub, flying the airlines can easily be beaten by general aviation for door to door time. Doesn't even take a jet, or a turbo prop....

Congrats on the new purchase.
 
JoseCuervo said:
If you are not based in a hub, flying the airlines can easily be beaten by general aviation for door to door time. Doesn't even take a jet, or a turbo prop....
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From Wisconsin, I can generally beat the airlines anywhere in the CONUS east of the Rockies in the Mooney. I bet James is absolutely killing their times at a bit over 100 knots faster!
 
ktup-flyer said:
maxed out at 241kts
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In the descent, lol. The flight from OSU(Columbus) to MKE(Milwaukee) was an ATC rerouting fiasco. I filed routes that others had gotten, but it was like every other controller wanted their input. MKE was new for me and always interesting to try a new place. I didn't really like paying $6/gal for fuel, but it is what it is. Leaving MKE I flied for FL200 to stay out of as much wind as possible, but found I was going to fighting the same speed from 10k upwar so went up to FL260 to try and get out of the visible moisture so I didn't have to keep the inertial separators on which cost about 12 kts up there. I was in and out and didn't want to go to FL280 so I plowed along at 200kts. Once I got to middle of Iowa the skies parted and I had one of those glorious night flights. As I was coming into western Iowa I could see a plane ahead of me and it looked like we were converging. It happened to be my mentor pilot coming home on a charter flight in 'his' Conquest and we ended up about 12 miles apart as I followed him in.
 
James_Dean said:
As I was coming into western Iowa I could see a plane ahead of me and it looked like we were converging. It happened to be my mentor pilot coming home on a charter flight in 'his' Conquest and we ended up about 12 miles apart as I followed him in.
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That sounds like a challenge. :D
 
Yeah, I got to find out what the G600 does when you hit the barber pole. :)
 
James_Dean said:
Yeah, I got to find out what the G600 does when you hit the barber pole. :)
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I have spent hours listening to "OVERSPEED OVERSPEED OVERSPEED".
 
James_Dean said:
In the descent, lol. The flight from OSU(Columbus) to MKE(Milwaukee) was an ATC rerouting fiasco. I filed routes that others had gotten, but it was like every other controller wanted their input. MKE was new for me and always interesting to try a new place. I didn't really like paying $6/gal for fuel, but it is what it is. Leaving MKE I flied for FL200 to stay out of as much wind as possible, but found I was going to fighting the same speed from 10k upwar so went up to FL260 to try and get out of the visible moisture so I didn't have to keep the inertial separators on which cost about 12 kts up there. I was in and out and didn't want to go to FL280 so I plowed along at 200kts. Once I got to middle of Iowa the skies parted and I had one of those glorious night flights. As I was coming into western Iowa I could see a plane ahead of me and it looked like we were converging. It happened to be my mentor pilot coming home on a charter flight in 'his' Conquest and we ended up about 12 miles apart as I followed him in.
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Nice!

FWIW, if engine cycles and a bit of time don't cost you too much, KBUU generally has some of the cheapest fuel around, and is a quick hop from MKE. $2.49 for Jet-A today. Holy crap, I just looked at the Signature MKE prices... :eek: That's inexcusable! Their 100LL price is more than double Atlantic at UES even!
 
My brother and I have an associate in Milwaukee and he was close to MKE. I wanted to say hello and my brother ended up staying for a meeting. The plane served its business purpose on that trip for certain. I bought 100 gallons so they would graciously waive the $277 'handling fee'. I don't get the sense MKE wants any GA activity.
 
James_Dean said:
My brother and I have an associate in Milwaukee and he was close to MKE. I wanted to say hello and my brother ended up staying for a meeting. The plane served its business purpose on that trip for certain. I bought 100 gallons so they would graciously waive the $277 'handling fee'. I don't get the sense MKE wants any GA activity.
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No, they really don't. One of the worst FBOs I've ever been to. Crazy fees, crazy fuel prices, terrible service. It's on my do-not-return list. In fact, I think it IS my do-not-return list, I generally favor the closest airport to my destination. Luckily, since I live so close now, I have no reason to fly to MKE any more. There are many airports nearby that are much friendlier. KRAC, KUES, KMWC depending on which direction from MKE you're going. All of the above have jet fuel and ground transportation available.
 
Why do I keep reading this thread?? My 425 will easily do 250 knots and as much as 260 if the stars are aligned, but I find myself jealous of the 280 number! ;):)
 
Ever wonder what it looks like when a pilot new to a plane has an 70kt tailwind going into busy airspace gets behind the plane? Like an idiot I found myself 100 miles out at FL250 and doing 345kts over the ground. Following an arrival procedure and the quick speaking Boston controllers. Everything worked out fine, but the plane was in Massachusetts and my brain was still in New York. Good learning experience to have in easy weather, but I won't do that mistake again.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N425XP/history/20160324/1700Z/KCAK/KBED/tracklog
 
image.jpeg image.jpeg What it's all about. Mama was very happy today. They all complain about fast descents in the 310 and nobody said anything about the crazy descent in the earlier post. Mama really liked the pressurization.
 
James_Dean said:
Ever wonder what it looks like when a pilot new to a plane has an 70kt tailwind going into busy airspace gets behind the plane? Like an idiot I found myself 100 miles out at FL250 and doing 345kts over the ground. Following an arrival procedure and the quick speaking Boston controllers. Everything worked out fine, but the plane was in Massachusetts and my brain was still in New York. Good learning experience to have in easy weather, but I won't do that mistake again.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N425XP/history/20160324/1700Z/KCAK/KBED/tracklog
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Norman said:
Nice elevator ride. Going down? Got speed brakes on that baby? :D
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You don't need them in a 425, pull the throttles back and the props forward and it will take on the glide ratio of a brick! :eek:
 
N747JB said:
You don't need them in a 425, pull the throttles back and the props forward and it will take on the glide ratio of a brick! :eek:
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Are you sure it's not a Piper? :D
 
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