Anybody want a Hummer?

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They unveiled it yesterday and I was quite unimpressed.

First, it only has a 5 ft bed. What can you haul in that?

And who takes a luxury vehicle 4-wheeling? I doubt I would ever use that air-lift suspension.
And that crab-walk looks useless too. Perhaps if the wheels turned 90 degrees it might be useful.

It does have a 1,000 HP and can reach 60 mph in 3 seconds, but it only hasabout a 350 mile range.

I can see where each of the features will be liked by somebody, but I don't think there are any features that everyone likes.

I guess I'll be leaving my $100 deposit on the Tesla truck and wait to see what Ford or any of the other electric truck makers come up with.
 
Well, the GMC "Hummer" STARTS at $80K for the RWD low range version (which is essentially pointless for owning a Hummer). The marque model is expected to start at $110K. It is better-looking than that Tesla truck, but that's not exactly setting the bar very high. It looks like a bastardized H3T/Chevy Avalanche. My guess is that it will probably be a flop outside of some yuppies who want to say they own a "green" Hummer. Good luck to them. Maybe Ford one-ups them and brings back the Excursion, lol.
 
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Most off road vehicles are being turned into luxury interiors (read high dollar) and people take them off road all the time. Starting from Raptor to TRX to Lexus 460/470
 
This clearly isn’t meant to sell in large numbers. It’s a development platform aimed at G wagon owners. Most trucks sold today only have a 5 foot or so bed. I think it’s neat and probably a better buy than the Tesla truck. It’s the halo car for GM to prove they can compete with the tech giants.
 
I saw the intro video. Amazing tech and I like the way it looks more than the Cybertruck. Fast recharging and 350 mile range takes away a lot of EV obstacles.
 
I gotta get ready for work and may not be around but I'm going to leave this right here for someone to quote.

...and there it is!
 
The vast majority of people who buy Hummers don't actually use the off road capability; they buy them to show off and hope they make other people perceive them as more manly.
 
Again, more proof that for now, electric cars are expensive toys for the wealthy and not ready for the average consumer.
 
Dana said:
The vast majority of people who buy Hummers don't actually use the off road capability; they buy them to show off and hope they make other people perceive them as more manly.
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To be fair the vast majority of people that buy any off-roader new don’t use it off road. The second, third, fourth owners are the ones that do.
 
Dana said:
The vast majority of people who buy Hummers don't actually use the off road capability; they buy them to show off and hope they make other people perceive them as more manly.
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Stereotypes. The only friend we have driving an originally purchased Hummer today is female, and decidedly so. LOL. She loves that thing. Blonde haired, blue eyed, girly girl. It’s yellow.
 
charheep said:
I saw the intro video. Amazing tech and I like the way it looks more than the Cybertruck. Fast recharging and 350 mile range takes away a lot of EV obstacles.
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Less range than the cyber truck and I would be very surprised if the tech in the hummer isn't even close to that in the cyber truck. Like solar panels and I'm sure you'll be able to equip the space X internet to it at some point. The only downside I could see is styling which i like a lot. Trucks don't need to look like trucks without an ICE up front. I can understand why people are a bit turned off by the look of the cyber truck.
 
When the Cybertruck first rolled onto stage at the unveiling, I honestly thought it was a joke, and the real reveal would follow. It took a moment to realize no, that was really it!

Yes, it’s different in a bizarre and futuristic sort of way. But I have a hunch it will get “normalized” over time, sooner than one might think.

For instance, I remember in the first Robocop movie they had a new Ford Taurus in police regalia, and it looked novel and futuristic. It wasn’t very long before the traditional Crown Victorias looked slab-sided and dated. And I think it was RAM trucks that first got “bulgy” and looked cartoonish. Pretty soon all standard pickups got that “rounded” look.

Anyway, we also have a deposit on a Cybertruck. If nothing else it’s fun to be a part of the story!
 
I found the Hummers to be, I don't know, how can I describe it? Boring to drive. On the other hand, they have great off road capability. The original production Hummers had the POS GM V8 diesel conversion engine. The current engines in the mil spec Hummers are much better. They aren't particularly fast. Their quoted top speed is something like 65 or 70 mph but they really don't like going much over 55.
 
Sac Arrow said:
I found the Hummers to be, I don't know, how can I describe it? Boring to drive. On the other hand, they have great off road capability. The original production Hummers had the POS GM V8 diesel conversion engine. The current engines in the mil spec Hummers are much better. They aren't particularly fast. Their quoted top speed is something like 65 or 70 mph but they really don't like going much over 55.
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Well the original Humvee and the GM consumer variants have almost nothing in common aside from general shape, so it's not surprising. The newer consumer models were just a humvee-inspired body on a suburban frame. The H1 Alpha at least got the Duramax turbo-diesel upgrade, so at least it wasn't as uninspiring from a power standpoint. I'm sure the military spec versions weighed a ton or two more with all of the armor plating and such.
 
SoonerAviator said:
Well the original Humvee and the GM consumer variants have almost nothing in common aside from general shape, so it's not surprising. The newer consumer models were just a humvee-inspired body on a suburban frame. The H1 Alpha at least got the Duramax turbo-diesel upgrade, so at least it wasn't as uninspiring from a power standpoint. I'm sure the military spec versions weighed a ton or two more with all of the armor plating and such.
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The ones that are armored might, but they don't actually weigh all that much otherwise. The body is aluminum, and the hood is fiberglass. I'm surprised that they are able to squeeze in a Duramax in the H1 Alpha, in such a low profile vehicle. But yeah, the H2 Suburban chassis and the H3 Colorado chassis models are a joke. I rode in a rental H3 once, and it had like no interior room inside to speak of.
 
JOhnH said:
First, it only has a 5 ft bed. What can you haul in that?
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If you stack them right, 32 bags of mulch.

And who takes a luxury vehicle 4-wheeling? I doubt I would ever use that air-lift suspension.
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Oh, you would be suprised. A young man who lives in our firehouse turned his first paycheck into a payment on a new 1500 Ram. He promptly took it 'mudding' in a large construction site. He found out that the warranty doesn't extend to bent tie-rods ;-)

And that crab-walk looks useless too. Perhaps if the wheels turned 90 degrees it might be useful.
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Very useful if you can't actually drive a truck and need that crutch to make your way into the parking spot in front of starbucks.
 
Sac Arrow said:
The ones that are armored might, but they don't actually weigh all that much otherwise. The body is aluminum, and the hood is fiberglass. I'm surprised that they are able to squeeze in a Duramax in the H1 Alpha, in such a low profile vehicle. But yeah, the H2 Suburban chassis and the H3 Colorado chassis models are a joke. I rode in a rental H3 once, and it had like no interior room inside to speak of.
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You are talking about a completely different animal. I assume you understand that the new Hummer is electric. You know, like a vibra... (never mind).
 
ktup-flyer said:
Because nobody wants a base model car
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So they aren't really 35k then. I mean, I can sell you my house for $50.00 but you'll have to add extra for grass, trees, walls, roof, floors, well, siding, seller prep, destination charge....
 
ktup-flyer said:
Because nobody wants a base model car
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I just went to the Tesla site, a base 3 is $37,999 + tax/fees, and this for a base car. One can a well load out (not base) Honda Civic (same size car) for about $25k + tax/fees. That extra $13k is a bit much for the average compact car customer. And, as the article says, most 3's sell for $60k, because most Tesla buyers want extended range and better performance. But still, a $60k compact car is for the wealthy.
 
Bill Jennings said:
I just went to the Tesla site, a base 3 is $37,999 + tax/fees, and this for a base car. One can a well load out (not base) Honda Civic (same size car) for about $25k + tax/fees. That extra $13k is a bit much for the average compact car customer. And, as the article says, most 3's sell for $60k, because most Tesla buyers want extended range and better performance. But still, a $60k compact car is for the wealthy.
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Same size externally, maybe. You’re forgetting you get 2 trunks, which makes it a lot more practical. Plus no gas or engine maintenance
 
ktup-flyer said:
Same size externally, maybe. You’re forgetting you get 2 trunks, which makes it a lot more practical. Plus no gas or engine maintenance
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Gas is $1.69 here now, that extra $13k to buy the Tesla buys 307,692 miles worth of gas for a Civic like car. Even if you drop that to 200kmi (because yes, oil changes, engine mx), that's a long time to just break even, and it will take longer because I didn't include the electricity to run the 3. Add to that the lost investment opportunity on the $13k.

Anyway, you pays your money and takes your chances. Buy what you want, enjoy life!
 
Bill Jennings said:
I just went to the Tesla site, a base 3 is $37,999 + tax/fees, and this for a base car. One can a well load out (not base) Honda Civic (same size car) for about $25k + tax/fees. That extra $13k is a bit much for the average compact car customer. And, as the article says, most 3's sell for $60k, because most Tesla buyers want extended range and better performance. But still, a $60k compact car is for the wealthy.
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I never hear people making that complaint about BMW, or Mercedes or . . . There will always be cars that some people can't afford.

But there will be cheaper EVs as a lot of the R&D is recovered and the technology is refined. Can't say that about Mercedes.
 
JOhnH said:
I never hear people making that complaint about BMW, or Mercedes or . . . There will always be cars that some people can't afford.

But there will be cheaper EVs as a lot of the R&D is recovered and the technology is refined. Can't say that about Mercedes.
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Right, eventually electric cars will become economically feasible on a large scale. But in the short term, as I stated above, electric cars will remain toys for the wealthy.
 
JOhnH said:
You are talking about a completely different animal. I assume you understand that the new Hummer is electric. You know, like a vibra... (never mind).
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Yes I get it, and I’m sure it will fall in to the same level of impracticablity as the H2 and H3. Not that an H1 is practical for most people.
 
Bill Jennings said:
Right, eventually electric cars will become economically feasible on a large scale. But in the short term, as I stated above, electric cars will remain toys for the wealthy.
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Well, then that's a good thing. To me, it sounds like you are trying to make it sound like a bad thing. The wealthy are paying the freight to enable car companies to deliver less expensive transportation to the masses.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Yes I get it, and I’m sure it will fall in to the same level of impracticablity as the H2 and H3. Not that an H1 is practical for most people.
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The comparison of the new Hummer to the old is apples to oranges. The ONLY thing they have in common is the name, which IMNSHO, was a stupid idea. But it was followed up with (again, IMNSHO) a stupid truck. But at least it's a step and will undoubtedly get better in time.
 
Sac Arrow said:
The ones that are armored might, but they don't actually weigh all that much otherwise. The body is aluminum, and the hood is fiberglass. I'm surprised that they are able to squeeze in a Duramax in the H1 Alpha, in such a low profile vehicle. But yeah, the H2 Suburban chassis and the H3 Colorado chassis models are a joke. I rode in a rental H3 once, and it had like no interior room inside to speak of.
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To call them a joke is a bit extreme. They were very capable off road, were very comfortable on road, and were very reliable. While the H2 was in a Tahoe chassis it had 3/4 ton truck running gear. Sure the sticker price was a joke but in typical GM fashion you could buy them for 10-15k off sticker which made them decent buys if you truly wanted an overland type vehicle.
 
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