Anxious: I even cancelled my flight lesson yesterday

As has been pointed out before, not everyone is the same and sometimes a different approach works better. None of us know the OP as well as her CFI does. That is not to say that she might not benefit from a second opinion, but I also think that some people put an oversized emphasis on the timing for solo.
Absolutely, I did the bulk of my solo work at the end of my primary training.

Some would also like to allude that her trepidation is not befitting of a good pilot. I had the same and similar trepidation. I've also had two engine failues, three bird strikes on the rotor and something hit my tailrotor so far in my career(very serious things) as well as countless other minor things like warning lamps etc and not only am I still here, I made the right decision, reacted in the proper way and did not damage the aircraft or hurt my customers in the process. I would say her trepidation is a solid foundation for making a great PIC one day.:)

OP, if you cancelled your flight because you didn't feel up to the challenge then you absolutely made the right PIC decision.
 
Question for the OP. What airport and flight school are you flying out of? If we knew that, maybe someone on here who is in the same area might be able to recommend a different CFI who could fly with you and offer a fresh perspective. We have some very good folk on here from all over the country so it is likely you will find some good advice.
 
I never disagreed with her finding another instructor, in fact I related my own story of how I went on to use another instructor. Reading is a skill. :yesnod:

I could say the same :rolleyes2:
 
To the OP: I took a very long time to solo. Landings were my thorn. So, what you posted sounds very, very familiar. After solo...it went quick. I did the rest in near minimum hours. If you're still like me at that point, it should all get easier. Even if you're not, and everyone is different, it will still be good. Keep at it.

And don't sweat the hours. Don't EVER sweat the hours. You take what you take and hours are absolutely not comparable units. For instance, you've been doing x-country hours. While great, they are not teaching any skills that get you to solo. (Which is fine! You're not a commercial or military pilot. You're doing this to burn dollars, not make them.) I did the same thing...switched off for some x-country hours when the tedium and stress of blasting out pattern after pattern was too much. So...hours do not compare. They're an administrative minimum set by the FAA, and that's all they are.

One thing that will help if you can stand it, is to turn up the frequency of the lessons. If a student doesn't train frequently enough, the student will end up regressing and each lesson starts with some reset training. It can be done. (I did 2-3 lessons a month, which was not enough. But I still got there.) There will come a point where it all clicks. At that point, the frequency stops mattering quite as much. But not now. Frequency matters, but do balance that with your personal well-being. (And pocketbook!)

Also, there's some subtle sexism in some of the posts in this thread. I'm sure you've already identified some of it. F' 'em. The negative always sounds 10X louder than the positive. But it's not the majority. You sound like you're going to make a great pilot and I think that resonates in the responses you've gotten here.
 
I could say the same :rolleyes2:

You must seriously have a mental deficiency.

Tell me exactly in little tiny simple words that you understand,which part of this - "If going cross country makes you more comfortable in the airplane before you solo then go cross country." - you don't understand and I will break it down to you because there is absolutely no way a high school graduate should extropolate this - "think she should just keep blazing on" - from that. And that particular quote about going cross country was in reference to someone saying that they shouldn't go cross country when going cross country before solo was just the breath of fresh air I needed. Will that be what works for her ? Who knows ? She does.
 
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To the OP: I took a very long time to solo. Landings were my thorn..

Not unlike any other student, myself included. Some catch onto landings quickly. Most don't. :D

That said...this is why I think that for the OP, cross country work is counter-productive at this point. Seemingly endless pattern work and developing the sight picture and muscle memory for approach and landing needs to come first.

JHMO,
 
You must seriously have a mental deficiency.

Tell me exactly in little tiny simple words that you understand,which part of this - "If going cross country makes you more comfortable in the airplane before you solo then go cross country." - you don't understand and I will break it down to you because there is absolutely no way a high school graduate should extropolate this - "think she should just keep blazing on" - from that. And that particular quote about going cross country was in reference to someone saying that they shouldn't go cross country when going cross country before solo was just the breath of fresh air I needed. Will that be what works for her ? Who knows ? She does.

First things first, she should try a new CFI.

But if she can't handle a solo, burning more avgas and cash is just silly.

Look bud, I've soloed quite a few folks, had quite a few recommends and made quite a few pilots, got the pointless gold seal to prove it too, aside from that you lean quite a bit instructing folks and I've learned what I like to call the space monkey theory.

Not often I will get someone who just doesn't have "it". I'll ether get them fresh, make little headway and kick them to someone else to see what they can do, or I'll be on the receiving end from another CFI.

These folks are often great people, some very skilled in some areas, just can't get to solo, tends to be the crowd with 30ish plus hours and no solo and I'm not talking about spread out over some long periord of time ether.

Now I found, with enough work, enough pushing, a docile trainer and on the right type of days, I could push one out, and they can get their PPL. I was doing just that with a friend of mine, smart dude, just didn't have "it", when another pilot asked me, sure you can, but should you?

Huh? Why of course!

Did some thinking and came up with something

I explained that as a nation we launched monkeys into space, these chimps were even trained to preform some tasks, now if the USAF/NASA can launch a chimp into space, I surely can teach some guy how to fly a C172 to PTS standards. After some thought, I realized just because I can, doesn't mean I should, and some folks just arnt cut out to be PIC.



If this girl is having panic issues to the extent that she describes, there is a decent chance she shouldn't become a pilot.


I'm sorry of this hits some note with you, or if you were a space monkey yourself, but it's the way I see it and that's the way I call it.


Now I hope I'm wrong and it's just a mad student/CFI mix, but to not count the possibility that the OP should fly is just censoring facts that should be brought to her attention.



*Side note

Jeff - CRH/I, PSEL, AGI and A&P

You said you are a "instructor" are you a FLIGHT instructor, or only a ground instructor?
 
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First things first, she should try a new CFI.

But if she can't handle a solo, burning more avgas and cash is just silly.

I'm sorry of this hits some note with you, or if you were a space monkey yourself, but it's the way I see it and that's the way I call it.

I wasn't gonna say this, but - gosh I was sure thinking it.

I've also said similar in other threads about training. Sometimes, in some cases, there are people who don't have any business behind the yoke/stick of an airplane. Sure, with enough rote repetition, eventually they may pass the PPL, and maybe they will actually take a flight somewhere some day, but really - why?

I hope the OP isn't one of those, and it's as simple as a fresh take from someone, or getting over that hump of control response, but if it ain't so, it ain't so, and making a pilot of them isn't doing anyone any favors.

I've got a co-worker who is a life-long New Yorker. He has a drivers license, but really, he shouldn't go more than a few miles to the store and back behind the wheel. Heck of a guy, but I will never, ever get in a car with him driving again.

Also, taking a flight out somewhere and coming back for a break isn't a bad idea as long as it's not considered a training flight. If it's just to go take a ride, that's fine, but trying to get XC training in while quivering about the landing back home, seems to be more waste as well.
 
First things first, she should try a new CFI.

But if she can't handle a solo, burning more avgas and cash is just silly

If this girl is having panic issues to the extent that she describes, there is a decent chance she shouldn't become a pilot.


Now I hope I'm wrong and it's just a mad student/CFI mix, but to not count the possibility that the OP should fly is just censoring facts that should be brought to her attention

This was exactly my point a few posts ago. Thank you for saying this.

I hope the OP makes it but I don't believe just anyone is able to fly planes. It's a skill that requires a certain mindset. The skill can be taught, the mindset can't be taught so easily, if at all.
 
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Now I hope I'm wrong and it's just a mad student/CFI mix, but to not count the possibility that the OP should fly is just censoring facts that should be brought to her attention.

There is a difference between opinion and fact. You sir are presenting opinion as fact. That's fine when you'sitting in a bar and perhaps you are. I am not and I find your argument less than compelling.

The only thing that has happened is the OP noted some anxiety and canceled a flight. The CFI who flies with the OP encouraged continuing which might be something to keep in mind when condemming the OP.
 
There is a difference between opinion and fact. You sir are presenting opinion as fact. That's fine when you'sitting in a bar and perhaps you are. I am not and I find your argument less than compelling.

The only thing that has happened is the OP noted some anxiety and canceled a flight. The CFI who flies with the OP encouraged continuing which might be something to keep in mind when condemming the OP.

Amen.

Way too much blowing stuff out of proportion, jumping to conclusions and making assumptions.

For the record and lack of updating my signature, double I gold seal not that it matters because there is nothing in what I said in the context that it was said that is wrong.

For a grown adult, I assume, James you are acting like a petulant child. Now go tell mommy that not everyone on the internet agrees with you and maybe she'll bake you some cookies.
 
If you think you are having problems with your landings, spend a few hours sitting around where you can see the approach end of the runway.

Once you see how much the "average" pilot sucks at landing, you will realize that yours are probably not that bad.

(I assume you don't hit quite as hard as this)
 
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Why so much disagreement with what James said? Why get all touchy feely about it? As pilots, we are taught to consider facts and make the right decision without mixing in feelings.

One fact is that some people are not meant to be pilots. (that is not meant as an insult, btw, purely as a fact)
I know several people who fit this bucket. They like flying with me but they simply don't have the mind to be in command of an aircraft.

If something is not meant to be, there is no reason to force it. :dunno:
And there are ways to find out.
OP, take a hiatus from flying and see if you start missing it in a few weeks and the fear/anxiety goes away. That would be a good sign that you do like flying.
 
If you think you are having problems with your landings, spend a few hours sitting around where you can see the approach end of the runway.

Once you see how much the "average" pilot sucks at landing, you will realize that yours are probably not that bad.

(I assume you don't hit quite as hard as this)

HAHAHA!

He's not kidding.

If you don't fly every day, you'll suck at landings, at least occasionally. I fly with some pretty high time pilots in CAP. Yesterday, we landed at a narrow 3150 foot strip for some fuel. Winds were pretty benign, but the approach was, to say the least, really bad. Nothing close to stabilized; it was all over the place. The pilot did manage to touch down rather nicely, and described it as "pulling it out of his ***." That was accurate. He seemed to be a bit spooked by the runway, and called it "short" (which I disagree with, but he operates at a 6000+ foot runway all the time). He's a fine pilot with thousands of hours, but I'm sure a 60 foot wide runway looked tiny compared to 150 feet.

Then, there was the CAP exercise at Concord a year ago in the turbo 206, when the pilot entered the Class D real high and then got cleared for a straight in. I had to remind him that a slip was an option and I was OK with it if he was. He ended up slipping three times and then floating halfway down the runway (but it was a long one, plenty of space even so).

And last night, a different pilot got surprised by the runway during a night landing, and landed flat.

We all have sucky landings from time to time. The thing is, all those landings were safe. Just not very good form. I wouldn't recommend a student trying to "save" some of those.

To some other posters, please stop comparing the size of your appendages in this thread. It's singularly inappropriate given context. And no one but you cares how big it is. Stop jumping to conclusions and take stock of what you really do know. It's not much.

Even if you do fly every day, sucky landings still happen on occasion. I was once in the back of a purple 737 arriving in Burbank, and I could have sworn the pilot caught the 3rd wire.
 
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Wow! a lot of activity on this thread over 2 days... And a lot of good advise and encouragement. I think your anxiety about flying, in general, is causing all of your other issues... I state the obvious...

I have about 400 hours and still feel some anxiety every time I fly as I think most pilots do; especially when carrying passengers. Responsible pilots know that they aren't perfect.

I don't think anything we say will help much. Its just something you'll have to work through (assuming you want it bad enough) I long ago discovered that anxiety is easily mitigated by staying current by getting in the air as much as possible. The more I fly the less I feel the anxiety... So I think if you fly more often, rather than less often, you will be more ready mentally because you won't have 2 weeks to think about everything that can go wrong and work yourself into panic.

I wish you many safe, fun years of flying... Don't give up... I promise you won't regret it!
 
Flight log anxiety is wholly unnecessary. You fill out a flight log for one basic reason: To determine if, with the winds as forecast, you have enough fuel to make it to your destination (with some left over). It is not a matter of getting lost. When it comes to following the headings on the flight log, forget them!! You are a VFR pilot, navigating by ground reference, whether there is a CFI in the right seat or not. As soon as you see that the lake/railroad/stadium/golf course/etc that you were supposed to pass on the right is on the wrong side of the airplane you wake up and make a course adjustment...who cares what it says on a piece of paper.



Bob Gardner


This. Couldn't have said it better.

I'm the overly analytical sort. I didn't really "get" that I could just get in an airplane with a map and go somewhere without fifty pages of flight planning for a number of years.

Someone finally told me to go make sure I knew how much gas I had on board and then roughly plan a flight to somewhere not bounded by crazy airspace or anything, and just use the compass, a watch, and landmarks, and go.

Guess what? I got there, and landed, and had lunch, and flew home. And that was many many years ago. It was enjoyable.

Don't get hung up on the details of the flight plan. Zoom out once in a while a remember the point of the exercise is to navigate successfully to somewhere and things like missing a heading on the paper become pretty obvious when you relax. "Hey, that airport is northeast of here and that heading I wrote down is southeast. Hmm. Something wrong here."

It helps to just look at the chart and get an oversized overview of what the overall goal/accomplishment is -- before digging into the weeds of headings down to the single degree scale. Also helps to sometime do the math and figure out if you fly for an hour with a course that's five degrees off if your intended course with no ground references to fix it, just how far away from your destination are you anyway? Not that far. Find a landmark or three along the way, and you're there.

I think the advent of the non-paper chart and the computer calculated flight log, has messed up the accuracy scale of things a bit for VFR pilots in their heads. Point the airplane within 5 degrees of where you're going and start looking for landmarks. You'll get there just fine. Save the one degree increment stuff for later.

Plenty of folk have flown across the continent with nothing but a paper chart, a watch, and a bouncy mag compass and lived to tell the tale.

The flight log part and the time crunch was just what set me off on a bad state of mind. So, I do understand that it's the self-doubt that I need to get over, not letting nervous feelings grow into a distraction.


I used to fall into this trap. Remind yourself that obsessing about one thing will make you miss a bunch of others, and zoom back a bit from the process.

You said you "thought about the consequences" of the error, but how bad was it really? You really going to not notice you're heading the wrong direction for an airport by a huge margin, once you're aloft? And if you do, what's the real worst case scenario?

You also said "what if my instructor wasn't there to catch it?"

Two things there. Your instructor *is* there right now for exactly these things.

Additionally and others have mentioned it, modern flying usually includes using some GPS gadgetry and toys for most of us, even the weekend warriors with no GPS in the panel. You'll likely both want to have and really will like having a gadget with you for "fun" flying that'll make your life a whole lot easier in the "am I on course?" line of questioning.

You're learning the basics. A map, a compass, a timer... But most of us have a little help from modern technology when flying for fun these days. We know how to get there if the gadget quits, but we don't obsess over the planning anymore. We let the gadget draw the initial plan and we *review* it with the knowledge you're leaning now, to see if there's airspace issues, or terrain we don't want to fly over, etc...

And once we are satisfied that the computer did an "okay" job and adjust it to meet our goals, we fly it with the gadget. Maybe printing it out in case of gadget failure. Or just making a mental note of airports along the way, big landmarks, and general headings.

So... "Real world" there's both realities. A compass and a map and a watch will get you there as long as you're looking out the window and correcting the course with landmarks. The gadget will ALSO get you there, and most of us have them with us, too, for that $100 hamburger run.

Put both together in your cockpit and you have a primary and a backup system that really makes it pretty difficult to become "lost" these days. Add a phone that can back up the other gadget, and you're multiple levels of failures deep before you're in any sort of trouble where you need to land "right now" and sort things out.

Have you talked about the phrase "Climb, confess, comply" yet with the instructor? There's always help available aloft, even for a lost pilot. Get some altitude, call a controller, and they'll have you set a squawk and they'll find ya. Later number four or five of backup.

Don't sweat the flight log sheet. You'll get to where you can do those easily (but never as fast as the gadgetry can calculate them) and that'll be your basis for *believing* the numbers the gadgets spit out, as you spot check them and adjust the gadget routing to take you over some nice landmarks to reference to make sure you're going where you want to be going.

Here's an even funnier tip. There's usually airports along the way. If you get totally lost, just land and "re-combobulate". There's a few stories of people wandering into FBOs and saying, "so where the hell am I?!" Not a lot of them, but again... Still a valid method of dealing with "lostness". Haha. Layer five or six now of things that'll get you "unlost".

Oh... Solo. Don't make a huge deal about when it needs to happen on some imaginary timeline. It'll happen when you're ready to fly around the pattern safely. Your confidence will probably go up a number of notches at that point, too.

You're doing fine. Just relax and enjoy a bit. The airplane will happily take you places without ten pounds of flight log paperwork on board. All you gotta do is get the basics of navigation into your head, and unfortunately, doing a pile of flight logs is the means to that end. ;)
 
This thread is a fine example of why I have on ignore who I have on ignore.

Isn't it amazing how well that works...and continues to do so.

Note to MC: It might be nice to have a tag next to peoples' names that shows how many have them on ignore. That way noobs like XcaliburGirl would be able to tell who they're likely getting good advice from and who's blowing smoke or being unnecessarily harsh in an attempt to make themselves appear and/or feel superior.

(it'd be similar to the old "reputation" system but far more succinct)

Ahhh...if life were that simple.

:goofy:
 
This thread is a fine example of why I have on ignore who I have on ignore.

Isn't it amazing how well that works...and continues to do so.

Note to MC: It might be nice to have a tag next to peoples' names that shows how many have them on ignore. That way noobs like XcaliburGirl would be able to tell who they're likely getting good advice from and who's blowing smoke or being unnecessarily harsh in an attempt to make themselves appear and/or feel superior.

(it'd be similar to the old "reputation" system but far more succinct)

Ahhh...if life were that simple.

:goofy:

Sorry that you have to ignore me. (Not that you will see this.) :)
 
I'm a student too, and i get nervous on take off and landing. CFI says i'm doing OK, but I feel like i'm overthinking the rudder on take off and either overcorrecting to the right or it's pulling off to the left. very sloppy and a little scary for me right now.

I also don't have the sight picture on landing and it scares me a bit, (since short lands me in the lake).

You have to work on it, and know you'll get better bit by bit on different areas. (said as a 5 hour student).
 
The flight log part and the time crunch was just what set me off on a bad state of mind. So, I do understand that it's the self-doubt that I need to get over, not letting nervous feelings grow into a distraction.

I am just going to leave what I noticed about your thinking process right here....

I am just beginning to go back to my pilot lessons after 7 years off and only 6 hours of time back then... But look at what you did... You analyzed a situation, realized you were stressed and in a bad frame of mind due to Flight log and time crunch stress-ors.. Your mind was not where it needed to be and You cancelled a flight. You made an Important Pilot Decision in my mind and made it correctly. I do not know you from a hole in the ground but you are exercising sound judgement and acting/reacting appropriately. I think the trick is to stay in touch with the fun part of the flying and de-stress yourself some and then just go and make your next flight. Try not to turn the screws on yourself so much because the world will do that for you. Granted flying is serious business and warrants the attention it demands.
 
Sorry to hear about your frustration, and, uh, welcome to the fun of internet forums.

What you said about sitting back a second and reading some pilot memoirs struck a nerve with me. Skyfaring by Mark Vanhoenacker came out after I started my training, and I found time to sneak it in between study sessions. It was just what I needed, a reminder about the magic and wonder of flight amidst all of the numbers and checklists bouncing around in my head.

I also like the idea of a fun flight. My CFI took me on a fun cross-country before we started working on all of the flight planning stuff, just to show me what I was actually working toward.
 
I had the privilege of having a great pilot and human being near 100 years old get me started flying. I NEVER would have guessed his age, I thought he was in his '70's . . . had every rating all the way up to ATP and was certified for PIC of 747's. He told me two things when we started: "I'm not going to teach you theories and math, I'm going to teach you the things you need to know to stay safe and alive. You need what you learn from the books, but that's not what will keep you alive when you get in trouble.", and, "Of all the people I've know in aviation, the very best pilots are the ones that made the most mistakes, lived through and learned from them.". Both those statements gave me a different perspective of learning to fly a plane, and the latter effected me for the rest of my life by making mistakes into a positive thing rather than the negative source of criticism they were growing up. DO NOT be afraid of making mistakes and get rattled by them. Instead make them into learning experiences. The more you learn, the more physically relaxed, but mentally sharp you will be when flying. Instead of getting angst'ed up, use the mistakes to reinforce your confidence. EVERYONE makes mistakes. It's what you do about or with them that defines you! Remember: The most skilled are those that make the most and learn from them. Words of a very wise man that started flying biplanes for $.50 an hour at the beginning of the 19th century when he was a big kid for his age. He lied and said he was sixteen, but he was just a kid! He not only had thousands of hours in all kinds of aircraft, he had flown with, and taught, hundreds - maybe thousands - of pilots in over 80 years of flying when I met him. What he said is true - believe it, I've witnessed the same thing going through life.
One other thing: When I was taking lessons in a college Aviation course environment, several years later, there was a constant chatter of how hard this was or that is, etc. It was all BS, a kind of "Look at this hard thing I accomplished and how great I am because of it!" I let myself build up anxiety about those skills or tasks I hadn't faced yet, and which I heard the horror stories about. After tackling them and realizing that they weren't that difficult I learned to ignore certain students that were peddling that KAKA. If you are experiencing that, consider the source, and ignore it! RELAX. You will realize this is a wonderful thing you are doing, and if it was so easy EVERYONE you know would have their PPL. It is hard, take it in stride - it is what it is. And, the harder it is, the better pilot you will be, because you are taking it seriously, albeit a little bit too much and beating yourself up over normal things that all students do.
It's part of the journey! Revel in every mistake - BECAUSE YOU WON'T MAKE IT AGAIN!!!!!! The worst pilots, or maybe I should say student pilots I knew, most of whom are not flying now, were the ones that were feeding their egos, and acting like they had this simple thing under control - "No sweat.". They made the most horrid and dangerous errors, and thought nothing of it. Their cavalier attitude was ignorance in disguise. They didn't "get it".
I'm reminded of a day I was practicing in the pattern, heard one or our planes announcing they were entering the pattern at a 45 when suddenly the obnoxious class hot-shot flew into the pattern from my right going the wrong way, missing me by less than 40 feet - slightly below and in front of me, and he never saw me! He was in a TR-2. Through the canopy I could read the logo on his DC headset, and see the little white line on his aviators where RAY BAN was written. It happened in an instant because the closing speed was so high. I couldn't have missed the the tail by ten feet as it passed under me as I jerked the yoke back. In the office he vehemently denied the whole thing. YOU WILL NEVER DO THAT, because you care about what you are doing. Once again RELAX. Be thankful when you make a mistake, and make it into a small celebration of something you WON'T do again. Make it a positive thing, stored in your "knowledge of flying" file, not something to agonize over. Make it a good thing, because, in the end, only YOU can and will make it so!
You will look back on this experience and be reminded of the saying about . . . . "it's not the destination, but the journey" . . . well, in flying, the best part is that the journey NEVER ENDS, it just gets better and better with new destinations one after another. Relax and let things happen the way they will. The more mistakes you make the better pilot you'll be. I would much rather fly with someone that cares as much as you do than Mr. I'm so cool, flying the wrong way into the downwind leg of a pattern. Remember also that the best copilot you may ever have CAN be YOU, but you have to make that happen. Be an ally to yourself, a patient, teacher, not a critical lam-baster of your self confidence. You have to be your best flying buddy, because no one can, or should, ever be a better one than you.

One last thing. Just for the heck of it, take a lesson with someone else at a different airport. Maybe two someone else's. You'll either find a new respect for the one you have or you will find a new instructor.

All the very best to you.
 
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tell ya what - schedule a ride - and just go turn 100LL into noise - go fly - yank and bank little- have your instructor [pick someone else - maybe find a female - they're out there] do some cuban 8's or some fun commercial manuvers, learn the limits of the airplane. Go HAVE FUN.

Flying is supposed to relax you, even when its hard work. Even when its your chance to be terrified that day, or scared from weather or whatever happens - even if it takes all of your thoughts and concentration to operate a flight safely from point A to B but its still supposed to be rewarding, which reduces the stress level.

You have not solo'd yet, prob because you emotions are getting in the way of your flying. This is not a test of you being a good person - its learning a skill. You prob did not involve all of your emotions to learn to do your hair - or whatever your career is - you just did it.

Flying is like that - go out and do it. Stop worrying about it. I know that is easier said than done - but it really is that simple.
 
This thread is a fine example of why I have on ignore who I have on ignore.

Isn't it amazing how well that works...and continues to do so.

Note to MC: It might be nice to have a tag next to peoples' names that shows how many have them on ignore. That way noobs like XcaliburGirl would be able to tell who they're likely getting good advice from and who's blowing smoke or being unnecessarily harsh in an attempt to make themselves appear and/or feel superior.

(it'd be similar to the old "reputation" system but far more succinct)

Ahhh...if life were that simple.

:goofy:


Not sure if I agree. I think most people get put on ignore due to their outspokenness on issues such as politics or religion or because they got into a ****ing contest rather than giving bad advice or not having a good understanding of aviation. Someone could be viewed as an a-hole by someone else and be put on ignore but actually have better thoughts on various aviation subjects.
 
Can I put myself on ignore?

Can someone please respond to this so I can see that I posted something?
 
I had the privilege of having a great pilot and human being near 100 years old get me started flying. I NEVER would have guessed his age, I thought he was in his '70's . . . had every rating all the way up to ATP and was certified for PIC of 747's. He told me two things when we started: "I'm not going to teach you theories and math, I'm going to teach you the things you need to know to stay safe and alive. You need what you learn from the books, but that's not what will keep you alive when you get in trouble.", and, "Of all the people I've know in aviation, the very best pilots are the ones that made the most mistakes, lived through and learned from them.". Both those statements gave me a different perspective of learning to fly a plane, and the latter effected me for the rest of my life by making mistakes into a positive thing rather than the negative source of criticism they were growing up. DO NOT be afraid of making mistakes and get rattled by them. Instead make them into learning experiences. The more you learn, the more physically relaxed, but mentally sharp you will be when flying. Instead of getting angst'ed up, use the mistakes to reinforce your confidence. EVERYONE makes mistakes. It's what you do about or with them that defines you! Remember: The most skilled are those that make the most and learn from them. Words of a very wise man that started flying biplanes for $.50 an hour at the beginning of the 19th century when he was a big kid for his age. He lied and said he was sixteen, but he was just a kid! He not only had thousands of hours in all kinds of aircraft, he had flown with, and taught, hundreds - maybe thousands - of pilots in over 80 years of flying when I met him. What he said is true - believe it, I've witnessed the same thing going through life.
One other thing: When I was taking lessons in a college Aviation course environment, several years later, there was a constant chatter of how hard this was or that is, etc. It was all BS, a kind of "Look at this hard thing I accomplished and how great I am because of it!" I let myself build up anxiety about those skills or tasks I hadn't faced yet, and which I heard the horror stories about. After tackling them and realizing that they weren't that difficult I learned to ignore certain students that were peddling that KAKA. If you are experiencing that, consider the source, and ignore it! RELAX. You will realize this is a wonderful thing you are doing, and if it was so easy EVERYONE you know would have their PPL. It is hard, take it in stride - it is what it is. And, the harder it is, the better pilot you will be, because you are taking it seriously, albeit a little bit too much and beating yourself up over normal things that all students do.
It's part of the journey! Revel in every mistake - BECAUSE YOU WON'T MAKE IT AGAIN!!!!!! The worst pilots, or maybe I should say student pilots I knew, most of whom are not flying now, were the ones that were feeding their egos, and acting like they had this simple thing under control - "No sweat.". They made the most horrid and dangerous errors, and thought nothing of it. Their cavalier attitude was ignorance in disguise. They didn't "get it".
I'm reminded of a day I was practicing in the pattern, heard one or our planes announcing they were entering the pattern at a 45 when suddenly the obnoxious class hot-shot flew into the pattern from my right going the wrong way, missing me by less than 40 feet - slightly below and in front of me, and he never saw me! He was in a TR-2. Through the canopy I could read the logo on his DC headset, and see the little white line on his aviators where RAY BAN was written. It happened in an instant because the closing speed was so high. I couldn't have missed the the tail by ten feet as it passed under me as I jerked the yoke back. In the office he vehemently denied the whole thing. YOU WILL NEVER DO THAT, because you care about what you are doing. Once again RELAX. Be thankful when you make a mistake, and make it into a small celebration of something you WON'T do again. Make it a positive thing, stored in your "knowledge of flying" file, not something to agonize over. Make it a good thing, because, in the end, only YOU can and will make it so!
You will look back on this experience and be reminded of the saying about . . . . "it's not the destination, but the journey" . . . well, in flying, the best part is that the journey NEVER ENDS, it just gets better and better with new destinations one after another. Relax and let things happen the way they will. The more mistakes you make the better pilot you'll be. I would much rather fly with someone that cares as much as you do than Mr. I'm so cool, flying the wrong way into the downwind leg of a pattern. Remember also that the best copilot you may ever have CAN be YOU, but you have to make that happen. Be an ally to yourself, a patient, teacher, not a critical lam-baster of your self confidence. You have to be your best flying buddy, because no one can, or should, ever be a better one than you.

One last thing. Just for the heck of it, take a lesson with someone else at a different airport. Maybe two someone else's. You'll either find a new respect for the one you have or you will find a new instructor.

All the very best to you.

Thank you for this.
 
I'm a student too, and i get nervous on take off and landing. CFI says i'm doing OK, but I feel like i'm overthinking the rudder on take off and either overcorrecting to the right or it's pulling off to the left. very sloppy and a little scary for me right now.

I also don't have the sight picture on landing and it scares me a bit, (since short lands me in the lake).

You have to work on it, and know you'll get better bit by bit on different areas. (said as a 5 hour student).


I didn't even know I had feet at 5 hours. You're doing fine. Haha.
 
One thing I haven't seen written here:

You're a girl (girl?). How tall are you? Is your seat high enough to see comfortably over the glare shield? You might need a cushion or pillow. You might need to have the seat pulled further forward or have the seat back more vertical. I needed all of these things. If you do readjust the seat, your sight picture will change, so give it a chance to come back in for you.

Get in the habit of using your rudder on landing. Once you are setting up on final, use your feet to wag your tail a little bit. Think of it as waking up the puppy dog you are flying and letting it display its happiness at landing. Don't forget to keep readjusting through the landing and the roll out.

Are you focusing on the landing point? Are you focusing on the far end of the runway? Try switching back and forth.

About the time I made a break-through in the landing thing, I learned that I'd been holding my breath through the base and final. My brain would be oxygen depleted by the time I needed to do the trickiest part. Breathe deeply with each of your turns. Downwind to base turn, breathe, ha ha. Base to final, breathe, ha ha ha. Short final, breathe ha ha. Touchdown, cheer, yay.

Flying is fun. Wag your tail, sit tall, laugh.
 
I have nothing to add, I just don't want to be the only POA member who hasn't posted in this thread. :D
 
Why so much disagreement with what James said? Why get all touchy feely about it? As pilots, we are taught to consider facts and make the right decision without mixing in feelings.

Since you asked, its because there is no way anyone can say without flying with the OP whether or not she has the aptitude for it. Going as far as saying that because you didn't solo in XXX hours is proof of such is disingenuous. He goes on to say that doing the cross country flight is complete waste of time, even though a dual cross country flight is a requirement under Part 91 and 141.

How anyone could claim to be an all knowing flight instructor that can diagnose a flight student without ever flying with them and even go on to say that doing a required flight, that may possibly serve a double purpose of helping the OP to regain the fun factor and comfort level, is a waste of time.... well..... draw your own conclusion.

I'm truly sorry to the OP and the rest of the PoA members for getting in the mud and wrestling with the pigs. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm personally, in my opinion of course, tired of know it all blow hards running off any newbies with their undue criticism. Is it possible she doesn't have the aptitude for it? Sure, but there are considerate ways to hint at that and nobody here, unless they flew with her, are able to make that judgement.
 
Funny.... The OP has not chimed in lately,, Altho her little green light is on...:dunno::dunno::redface:
 
I took about three years to get mine...
Thank you for sharing.

To the OP: I took a very long time to solo...
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Also, there's some subtle sexism in some of the posts in this thread. I'm sure you've already identified some of it. F' 'em. The negative always sounds 10X louder than the positive. But it's not the majority. You sound like you're going to make a great pilot and I think that resonates in the responses you've gotten here.
Thanks. Being in a technical field, it's not the first time I have come across it.

... The more I fly the less I feel the anxiety... So I think if you fly more often, rather than less often, you will be more ready mentally because you won't have 2 weeks to think about everything that can go wrong and work yourself into panic.
Unfortunately, I have to wait until January for more vacation time at work. I guess I could try Saturday and Sunday, but it might be too much without a break in between.

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I'm the overly analytical sort. I didn't really "get" that I could just get in an airplane with a map and go somewhere without fifty pages of flight planning for a number of years....
Great points. I'm the type of person who likes to build an Excel spreadsheet to plan my vacations and major purchases, so I probably put too much emphasis on it.

Sorry to hear about your frustration, and, uh, welcome to the fun of internet forums.

What you said about sitting back a second and reading some pilot memoirs struck a nerve with me. Skyfaring by Mark Vanhoenacker came out after I started my training, and I found time to sneak it in between study sessions. It was just what I needed, a reminder about the magic and wonder of flight amidst all of the numbers and checklists bouncing around in my head....
Thanks for the recommendation. I am adding it to my To Read list.

I had the privilege of having a great pilot and human being near 100 years old get me started flying...
Thank you so much for sharing and the encouragement.

One thing I haven't seen written here:

You're a girl (girl?). How tall are you?...
I am 5'8" so I think I am OK with seeing. However, I am not sure if I have always had the seat in the same position every time. I usually only adjust it if my knees are hitting the yoke. I will try to pay more attention. Thanks for the other tips as well.

Funny.... The OP has not chimed in lately,, Altho her little green light is on...:dunno::dunno::redface:
Honestly, I was kind of hoping it would roll off the front page. No such luck.

To everyone else who took the time to comment, thanks. I appreciate it. (The not-quite-as-helpful comments were at least entertaining. )
 
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