Another Malaysia 777 Down

ClimbnSink said:
How do I in Massachusetts consuming news know it wasn't air to air missile or a bomb?
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Plenty of radar and satellite coverage of the area. The airliner was seen on radar, and a heat bloom consistent with a missile was seen right before the airliner went down. The US government is saying it was a missile, for whatever that's worth.
 
Wasn't there a Tom Clancy book that WWIII started with the de-stabilization of Ukraine?

Shepherd Smith was saying a minute ago that investigators on the scene were Ukranian seperatists and they're not letting anyone else in....
 
Fearless Tower said:
But the continued escalation of hostilities on Ukraine is very worrisome. Especially the downing of a heavy civilian airliner with 295 souls on board. This could snowball very quickly leaving the western world a choice if either letting Putin run freely across Eastern Europe or they stand up and try to forcibly stop him.
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Here we go again. Ukrainians kill a bunch of people, and it's somehow Putin's fault. Jeezus. It's like saying that Rousevelt instigated Pearl Harbor, because he left Japanese no other choice with his oil blockade. In the end, however, Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and Ukrainians shot down Malaisian airliner, and whatever Putin and Rosevelt did, does nothing to remove the responsibility from the actual criminals.
 
Idle tinfoiling, could Malaysia Air be some countries spy agency front airline? Hence a target for other countries. There is a long history of using airliners for spook ops.
 
steingar said:
Only a few ground based weapons systems can hit an airliner at 33K feet, where the bird was according to radar. The systems are pretty sophisticated and not easy operated. This wasn't some guy with a shoulder mounted anti-aircraft missile.
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There are a few surface to air missile systems in that area that can easily reach that altitude. I've heard reports that it may have been an SA-11 Fire Dome system.
 
Norman said:
Fat chance! What do they have to retaliate with?
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Probably not much. They'll just have to bite down on that pillow real hard.


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Dumbass newscaster of the day award:

"As you can see from Flightaware, there were many civilian airliners in the area at the time the Malaysian 777 was lost. But if you look now, you can see there are only a few."

Uhh, dude. It's like 2am out there right now.
 
The Netherlands is Russia's largest export partner. Killing a plane full of Dutch may stiffen some spines in Europe. Russia's economy is small, and they manufacture nothing. See how popular Putin is when housewives can't buy toilet paper.
 
zaitcev said:
Here we go again. Ukrainians kill a bunch of people, and it's somehow Putin's fault. Jeezus. It's like saying that Rousevelt instigated Pearl Harbor, because he left Japanese no other choice with his oil blockade. In the end, however, Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and Ukrainians shot down Malaisian airliner, and whatever Putin and Rosevelt did, does nothing to remove the responsibility from the actual criminals.
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All I'm going to say is that you obviously haven't sat through the briefings I have on the current situation in Ukraine.

Like I said, I HOPE I'm wrong.
 
Matthew said:
Uhh, dude. It's like 2am out there right now.
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No, he's right. Previously the ATC centers would still route through, just not below FL320. The clousure was expanded up to unlimited after the shootdown. The difference is noticeable at Flightradar24 as everyone started piling up on Turkey, even accounting to traffic variations over the daytime cycle. They could go north through Belorussia too, but I dunno why they won't. Maybe Lukashenko asks some stiff user fees.
 
Bin Laden could be playing the back nine on Kaui right now for all we know ....

The entire seal team was wiped out in an 'accident.'

I'm skeptical ....
 
txflyer said:
Bin Laden could be playing the back nine on Kaui right now for all we know ....

The entire seal team was wiped out in an 'accident.'

I'm skeptical ....
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And man never landed on the moon right? The seal team was real, the event was real. I am sure of this. Also, the 'entire' team was not lost in that chinook.
 
Fearless Tower said:
Ukraine is potentially the tip of the iceberg. Putin has an agenda. It depends a lot on how far he wants to go to reclaim the former Soviet states. Problem is, no one outside of his inner circle really knows the answer to that. If he had stopped with Crimea, not much of a big deal to the rest of the world.

But the continued escalation of hostilities on Ukraine is very worrisome. Especially the downing of a heavy civilian airliner with 295 souls on board. This could snowball very quickly leaving the western world a choice if either letting Putin run freely across Eastern Europe or they stand up and try to forcibly stop him. At a minimum, I think we are headed back into another Cold War. I do hope I'm wrong.
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Cold war for sure. But there is no way this administration does anything.
 
Direct C51 said:
And man never landed on the moon right? The seal team was real, the event was real. I am sure of this. Also, the 'entire' team was not lost in that chinook.
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No, they landed on the moon alright, but the weather ain't never been the same since ... :lol:
 
Per FAA
"Restricted areas denote the existence of unusual, often invisible, hazards to aircraft such as artillery firing, aerial gunnery, or guided missiles. Penetration of restricted areas without authorization from the using or controlling agency may be extremely hazardous to the aircraft and its occupants."


We have these hazards within the country, let alone on a Russian influenced and equipped war zone.
 
N801BH said:
And this successful downing will just fuel the fire of any terrorist group that has SAM's in their possession....:hairraise:......:redface:
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I doubt there are any terrorist groups with functional SA-11s or trained operators. This isn't something you can pull off with a shoulder launched rocket hidden in the mountains.
 
dukeblue219 said:
I doubt there are any terrorist groups with functional SA-11s or trained operators. This isn't something you can pull off with a shoulder launched rocket hidden in the mountains.
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And a pack of separatists didn't just manufacture the systems out of their sixes. They came from Russia (who's' leader has steadfastly dinned supplying the separatists with arms and materiel). Moreover, most of these things require some degree of training to operate (at least according to what I read. I don't operate SAMs for jollies), meaning it was likely Russians who shot the missile. this is bad, bad bad. Putin has been pulling strings to keep himself popular at home, but there could be some real blowback on this.
 
steingar said:
And a pack of separatists didn't just manufacture the systems out of their sixes. They came from Russia (who's' leader has steadfastly dinned supplying the separatists with arms and materiel). Moreover, most of these things require some degree of training to operate (at least according to what I read. I don't operate SAMs for jollies), meaning it was likely Russians who shot the missile. this is bad, bad bad. Putin has been pulling strings to keep himself popular at home, but there could be some real blowback on this.
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Nah, American interests are heavily invested in Russian oil and gas, nothing will come of any of this until Putin closes off the economy again and throws out all the foreigners and keeps their investments. Even then Europe will still buy gas from Russia. The only way to get out of all of this crap is to introduce the next energy source which we can produce at export quantity here in the US.
 
ebykowsky said:
It means someone else set it up perfectly for him; kind of like a soft pitch. All he had to do was say "yes" to make history.
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Rebels have no aircraft. Ukrainian government does. The Ukrainian government has no reason to shoot at planes, the rebels do -- and have.

The boxes and what's left of the wreckage (the parts that haven't been made into roofs for chicken coops) will s-l-o-w-l-y be examined and in six months or a year Russia will announce some-sort of spread the blame around conclusion.
 
ebykowsky said:
It means someone else set it up perfectly for him; kind of like a soft pitch. All he had to do was say "yes" to make history.
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Interesting. By that reasoning, one could easily argue that no president ever accomplishes anything of significance. Anything of importance was done by those working for him.

It also ignores the fact that during his first campaign for the office, Obama announced his policy of sending forces into Pakistan, if necessary, to get bin Laden. He kept his campaign promise, the dirty rat! :rofl:
 
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