Another Bonanza down in MO...

Bummer. That's an extremely rural and remote county.

The private strips I see on the chart in that county aren't the longest...especially on a day as hot as it was around here today. It was really hot and muggy here today.

OTOH I'm confident that there are strips out there that aren't charted, so??????
 
Mark Openshaw. By reputation, a great guy. I traded with him some.

Tragic.
 
Terrible. Worse when children are involved.
 
The guy lived in Provo UT but apparently (per the local news this morning) owned the farm that this strip was on also. Reportedly about 2,000'.

Also, they interviewed a relative who witnessed the crash and the guy stated "departure stall". Using the proper terminology along with what else he said made me feel he knew what he was talking about.
 
2000 feet? Another report says it was a Beach A36. Needs 1140 feet for take off at max gross (2040 feet over the 50 foot) and that's at standard conditions. Warm morning, grass field with recent rains. Surely it was longer than 2000 feet.

So very sad when children are involved and friends and relatives waving good bye. It hurts just thinking about it.

The photo does show the vertical stabilizer and rudder upside down.
 
Another description had a steep initial climb and departure stall. The trim tabs appear to be set for pretty significant nose-up.
 
SCCutler said:
Another description had a steep initial climb and departure stall. The trim tabs appear to be set for pretty significant nose-up.
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Could have been a hand full out of trim.

Words cannot express the sadness.

RIP
 
BT is pretty tore up over there, the dad was a regular on the site and well liked. Many of the pilots there knew him personally. Makes a sad situation harder for sure.
 
Short runway,could have been stall spin accident. May they rest in peace.
 
Very tragic indeed. I saw the mention of 2000' elsewhere too, don't know the exact performance but seems a little tight with a fair load.

I realize it's easy to analyze in hindsight, but one needs a bit of daylight around the edge of the envelope.
 
More than likely he had made this trip numerous times and knew what he was doing. I have seen some comments regarding the trim tab being in the full up position as in runaway trim. You can see that in the photos but there is no way to know if that occurred as part of the crash or if that was what caused it. Reoprts from family witness mentioned a high climb rate at rotation and departure stall.

On any given day or on any given flight it can happen.
 
Could have been some cargo that slid back I guess but the fifth pax couldn't have weighed much. Does the 36 have the same characteristic that the 33 does with aft CG issues as fuel burns off?
 
tmyers said:
Could have been some cargo that slid back I guess but the fifth pax couldn't have weighed much. Does the 36 have the same characteristic that the 33 does with aft CG issues as fuel burns off?
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It moves aft by 0.9in between full and 10% fuel.

The kids were a 15yo boy, a 11yo girl and a 5yo boy. Marks plane was an earlier (lighter) serial# upgraded to a IO550B. He was based out of Provo at 4500ft and frequented places like Sedona,AZ. From prior posts over the years he was well aware of load and performance characteristics of his plane and planned his flights to remain below the 3600lb certified weight. Being within weight and balance limits doesn't mean you can't pull your plane into a departure stall. If there was a trim issue, the position of the trim-drum should be able to shed light on it, I wouldn't give much attention to the position of the trim-tab after the plane got completely mangled.

This is what he said a couple of years ago:

I fly my NA A36 from Utah to the Ozarks with regularity. Our strip is 2000' - no troubles getting in or out.
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I would think a grown man could overcome a trim issue in a Bo.

I've played with it in a 206 before, it's a work out for sure, but nothing that a adult male couldn't handle, especially with adrenaline pumping.

RIP.
 
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