Annual inspections, what are they?

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(A) an inspection to determine the material condition of the aircraft?

or

(B) an inspection to determine the safety of flight of the aircraft?

or :)
 
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C) an inspection to determin compliance with the type certificate and/or appropriate modifications.
 
Where is the question? Isn't it spelled out that it is an inspection to determine airworthiness and compliance with type certification, ADs, and other applicable data?
 
alfadog said:
Where is the question? Isn't it spelled out that it is an inspection to determine airworthiness and compliance with type certification, ADs, and other applicable data?
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Actually ADs are the Owner/Operators responcibility. We just generaly lump them in with the annual.

There are many ways I can annual a plane, give it the required Log entry and it not be airworthy without my having been the guilty party.
 
alfadog said:
Where is the question? Isn't it spelled out that it is an inspection to determine airworthiness and compliance with type certification, ADs, and other applicable data?
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Isn't that a material condition thing?

where would that be spelled out ?
 
D) About $1000 and a week. More if you want something special added at the same time.
 
Skylane81E said:
Actually ADs are the Owner/Operators responcibility. We just generaly lump them in with the annual.
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We do that because we can't declare the aircraft airworthy with out AD compliance.

But we can make the entry,

" I have inspected this aircraft in accordance with an annual inspection in accordance with the ___________ maintenance manual, and FAR 43-D, and found it to be UN airworthy due to non compliance with AD ______."

I have signed off the inspection on one aircraft that did not comply with the crankshaft AD on the TSIO-360- a few years ago. the shop that did the engine overhaul returned the aircraft to service after replacement of the crank.
 
How many A&P-IAs do we have here at POA?


Any one else do annual inspections for A&P owners?
 
I'm an IA, I only do annuals to support my habit and pay for tuitions. I have worked on some PA 46 annuals that the owner was an A&P. Normally a big mess and lot of time getting paid.
 
IA here also. I do annuals and avionics installs or anything else that will pay the bills. I annual a Navajo every year that the owner is a a&p and is always a smooth annual.
 
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An annual inspection is an inspection that has been done I/A/W Part 43.
 
An opportunity for an A&P/IA to rape aircraft owners?





:D
 
Our experience with the local Diamond specialist has been excellent!! Always a good discussion about what:

a. has to be done by the regs, AD's, etc NOW;
b. what has to be done by the regs in the next 12 to 24 mos.
c. how to combine items in a and b to save money.
d. what should be done to make the airplane safer or easier to fly.

So this year we replaced the mags (ouch), replaced the batteries, did some NDT on the gear, checked a bunch of stuff and replaced as necessary (good compression but a few bad exhaust gaskets, lubricated wheel bearings, etc.), and did the optional static port install.

Next year we get to take the wings off and check the fuel hoses at the same time. Oh Boy!

But we plan to keep the power plant going on condition, not time.

And we always feel like we got fair value for the work.
Marc
 
Best way to sign off the Annual pick the name of a dead IA and sign his name in your aircraft log book for the annual sign off.
 
brien23 said:
Best way to sign off the Annual pick the name of a dead IA and sign his name in your aircraft log book for the annual sign off.
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I think there is a website that helps you find that name, deadia.com or something. :D
 
brien23 said:
Best way to sign off the Annual pick the name of a dead IA and sign his name in your aircraft log book for the annual sign off.
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Last IA semanar I went to a lot of gray hair , the IA group is getting real old and dying off. Go to the FAA web site and download all the IA in your area, two years from now do it again the missing IA are probably dead.
 
alfadog said:
I think there is a website that helps you find that name, deadia.com or something. :D
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I honestly worry about my IA showing up on an annual I didn't do. I keep records for that reason! (and for renewal)
 
Hey, I'm not dead yet. Please stop signing those annuals off in my name. The work does look better though.
 
Not the "official" definition that you may be looking for, but as an aircraft owner and not an IA/A&P, my expectation is that my IA will keep me safe and legal. I know there is some subjectivity for some items, for example, this year I am replacing the wing tip plastic fairings, even though they (to me) looked the same when I bought the airplane 6 years ago and I guess then the mechanics thought they were okay. Around here, $1,000 and a week is too much money. Annuals without any repairs required are closer to $600 for a simple airplane like a C-150/172. I don't want to do things that don't need to be done, but for the things that do, as long as the new parts go on my airplane, I am good. I believe you have to be able to trust your mechanic, and if you don't you need to find another one.
 
Trust your mechanic and BE SPECIFIC.

If you just want an annual inspection that's what I'll give you,

If you want 100% legal and safe all year long we can work that out too
 
somorris said:
Not the "official" definition that you may be looking for, but as an aircraft owner and not an IA/A&P, my expectation is that my IA will keep me safe and legal.
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that's pretty much it....

the annual inspection is any inspection that is required by FAR 91.409, that meets the requirements of FAR 43-D. and is completed to the requirements of the inspector who complies with FAR 43.15 and makes the proper maintenance records IAW 43.11.
 
Skylane81E said:
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[QUOTE]Trust your mechanic and BE SPECIFIC.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, airplane owners have been cheated more times than a blind woman playing scrabble with gypsies, so trusting the mechanic isn't always a viable strategy.  Drunks and demigods are the worst.  

[QUOTE]If you just want an annual inspection that's what I'll give you,[/QUOTE] 

Again, that's not all that many shops are "giving" their customers. ;)

[QUOTE]If you want 100% legal and safe all year long we can work that out 
too.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't hesitate to use your shop, but only because your posts here are reasonable, knowledgeable and credible, and have allowed others to get a better understanding of your work.  OTOH, the reason that Mike Busch and other outside MX consultants are successful is that airplane owners have long felt that they were at significant disadvantage when dealing with mechanics and had no other means for obtaining a second opinion or arguing with the shop.  

I spend as much time in a MX shop as most mechanics, and know that the owners are often their own worst enemy insofar as choosing to understand the issues, but I also get to see the condition of the planes that show up for MX, and see the logs and copies of invoices in the records.
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wabower said:
I spend as much time in a MX shop as most mechanics, and know that the owners are often their own worst enemy insofar as choosing to understand the issues, but I also get to see the condition of the planes that show up for MX, and see the logs and copies of invoices in the records.
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Which tells you what ? did I missed something ?
 
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