Angel Flight down in NY

Gentlemen,
Please have a look at senecacrash.com and see if any of you find similarities with any of the 20 or so in flight breakups listed involving Piper Senecas! Particularly the eye witness statements.
Ren Crete
 
Gentlemen,
Please have a look at senecacrash.com and see if any of you find similarities with any of the 20 or so in flight breakups listed involving Piper Senecas! Particularly the eye witness statements.
Ren Crete

First post......... Welcome.......

On second thought...... you are not an attorney, are ya?:dunno::D
 
Gentlemen,
Please have a look at senecacrash.com and see if any of you find similarities with any of the 20 or so in flight breakups listed involving Piper Senecas! Particularly the eye witness statements.
Ren Crete

So do you have a vested interest in any previous PA-34 aircraft that might have crashed?
 
Castro Verde, Portugal OO-TML / N4137X 34-49089 Airframe suffered in-flight breakup and accident report probable cause was pinned on a runaway trim circuit of the KFC-150 autopilot/FD. We think this is really a situation where the nose cone/baggage area came apart first due to failure of the nose baggage door.

And what makes you think this?
 
I especially like the comment that the FAA has done nothing, yet there is an AD referencing three SBs on the topic of the door opening.
 
Gentlemen,
After compiling a list of at least twenty (20) suspected in flight breakups of Piper Senecas, as well as having had an ownership interest in two of the aircraft on the list. I hypothesize the following. The root cause of the breakups has absolutely nothing to do with the crappy design of the nose baggage compartment door and its latch mechanism. Nor does the seam delamination of the aging fiberglass surrounding the Ruby Goldberg tubing arrangement supporting the the nose wheel.
NTSB needs to look inside the nose baggage compartment and take a real close look at the latches that hold down the nose wheel inspection cover. These are the very same latches that were used on lunch box covers in the early sixties! That right, the lunch boxes that Mickey Ann Minnie mouse pictures on them!
How about this scenario, a partially open nose gear door (set of clamshell doors), with nose wheel in transit, creates a Venturi effect that that initially causes a vacuum in the nose compartment, followed closely by ram air as nose gear deploys, which causes compression of the entire fiberglass shell which covers the Rube Goldberg tubing arrangement. Numerous accident photos show stress cracks at the nose baggage door cover suggesting that it was pushed from the inside out! Others show clear delamination of the seam in the fiberglass from inside out pressures! Several of the accident photos show such a violent blowout of the nose baggage door that the latch mechanism end up wrapped around the hub of the left propeller!
How does this cause the airplane to come apart? Depending which side comes apart first, the empennage on that side simply stops working, which results in stabilator failure. Look at the pictures, guys! When the empennage fails, depending oh the speed of the aircraft at the time, you have negative g wing spar failure. Again, look at the pictures! Do not forget to look at the autopsy reports, often you will find that occupants wearing shoulder straps are very telling.
Ren Crete
Senecacrash.com
 
How about this scenario, a partially open nose gear door...

You seem given to detailed but unsupported speculation that ignores the available data.

According to the NTSB, ATC's radar shows the plane flying off-course but level for about a minute, with no radio report of mechanical difficulty, followed by entry into a steeply descending left turn before disappearing.

How does your scenario account for that sequence of events?
 
And it's Rube Goldberg, not Ruby.
 
Don't see where we are getting the plane was in VMC. He was IFR and the weather as reported in the prelim shows light rain and overcast around 3k feet, at a weather station 40mi from the accident site.

Well, even if it was VMC it was night. If the structural breakup was caused by the flow chart of:

Disoriented -> Unusual Attitude -> Too heavy control inputs when going to fast -> Parts fall off

Then the disoreintation could easily be related to night. There's not much horizon up there.
 
No. The crash was at 5:10 PM EDT. Sunset was 8:23 PM EDT.

Oops, thanks for the correction. I thought it was a night flight, not sure why. Maybe because most of my flights in that area were at night.
 
What in the heck does that have to do with it the initial cause of the breakup???

Absolutely nothing! The injuries reported simply attest to the g-forces inflicted on the occupants, which are substantial enought to cause instant death. Since no one is "controlling" the aircraft from that point forward, the aircraft simply becomes a projectile.
 
Absolutely nothing! The injuries reported simply attest to the g-forces inflicted on the occupants, which are substantial enought to cause instant death. Since no one is "controlling" the aircraft from that point forward, the aircraft simply becomes a projectile.

Yet you tell us to take note as if it somehow lends credence to your premise that the breakup was caused by the nose baggage door.

Everyone agrees that the airplane experienced an in-flight breakup.


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Well, even if it was VMC it was night. If the structural breakup was caused by the flow chart of:

Disoriented -> Unusual Attitude -> Too heavy control inputs when going to fast -> Parts fall off

Then the disoreintation could easily be related to night. There's not much horizon up there.
That happened the same day I flew through that area. It was light rain and low overcast over the entire New York area around that time. Most of the area had less than 1000 foot ceilings, with light rain, but reasonable visibilty under the overcast.
 
To: Fearless Tower
Please review my comment "The root cause of the breakups has absolutely nothing to do with the crappy design of the nose baggage compartment door and its latch mechanism."
Ren Crete
 
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