American Civic Literacy Test

I oppose NPR because its a waste of tax dollars - there's plenty of commercial radio stations around that do just fine without getting my income to run.

I don't care what they broadcast (although, your description of it being down the center is telling as it is most certainly left leaning), I just want them to fund themselves.

It is not all tax payer supported they do get donations. For instance the founder of McDonald's wife left NPR $200,000,000

You guys on the right can keep thinking it is a left leaning group, I know plenty on the left who tell me that it leans to far to the right. That tells me it is straight down the middle most of the time. There are also plenty of editorial studies that support that it is a middle of the road broadcaster.

As to the question of why we have it. The Federal government from a very early time realized that the dissemination and an educated electorate were very important to the continued freedom of this country. One of the the institutions that they created to disseminate and ensure information was delivered was the US Postal Service.

With the advent of radio and TV the government again felt that it was appropriate to have an information service that would be free of commercial editorial control to disseminate unbiased information to the public. This is why the PBS is not government run but government funded.
 
It's more than that, Nick.

My objection to public radio is that it 1) receives special privileges from the Federal government (starting with a spectrum set-aside from 88. MHz to 91.9 MHz, and continuing to grants and subsidies) and 2) it uses those to compete with private industry. Commercial broadcasting, on the other hand, pays much, much higher license fees and for new stations (in recent years) has had to win those licenses at auction.

My view has nothing to do with political leaning - many religous broadcasters have chartered themselves as "non profit" radio/TV stations and get some of the same benefits (lower license fees, etc) as NPR affiliates. These days, the truly educational outlets (which was the original charter) are few and far between.
Bill commercial broadcaster almost always get cheap licenses and spectrum compared to every other spectrum user. The TV people just got a whole allocation of free spectrum to move to digital. The vacated spectrum is being auctioned off to telcos at huge dollar amounts.
 
i scored in the low 80's. im not much of an economist.

and I like click and clack on the "prarie home companion" station.
 
It is not all tax payer supported they do get donations.

That's basically accurate.

With the advent of radio and TV the government again felt that it was appropriate to have an information service that would be free of commercial editorial control to disseminate unbiased information to the public. This is why the PBS is not government run but government funded.

That's not nearly as accurate. The reason the PBS is not government run is that there are legal prohibitions against broadcasting to our own citizens. That is also the reason that VOA does not (and cannot) broadcast it's signal in a fashion intended to be received in the US (the old shortwave VOA was receivable here but not intended to be received here - hard to broadcast from Bethany and not hit parts of the US).

You can read the President's (Johnson) comments about why it was created here: http://www.cpb.org/aboutpb/act/remarks.html

Bill commercial broadcaster almost always get cheap licenses and spectrum compared to every other spectrum user. The TV people just got a whole allocation of free spectrum to move to digital. The vacated spectrum is being auctioned off to telcos at huge dollar amounts.

TV got that spectrum in order to free up multitudes of other spectrum for auctions. As a grandfathered user, TV was not required to buy it at auction - it was migrated in order to maintain efficienct use of the spectrum and gain new auction revenue for the government. That's why I was very careful with my words because NEW broadcast licenses (new stations) are done by auction. As you know, there are many other grandfathered users that don't have to buy their existing licensed spectrum at auction.

With a few exceptions, the annual license fees are higher for broadcasters than other users.
 
Those left leaning Boston Liberals are pretty good. (by that I mean bad shocks and no passengers)

I Like Car Talk -- especially when I guess the diagnosis before Tom gives it (or is it Ray?)

I listen to A Prairie Home Companion and have for years. I read a couple of the Lake Wobegon books but found they depressed me (somewhat like reading John McPhee -- great writing, just brings me down :dunno:).

I even listen to Fresh Air, from time to time.

But after a while the plight of lesbian beetles in Sumatra wears thin, and I switch over to books or music on my iPod during my hour commute
 
With a few exceptions, the annual license fees are higher for broadcasters than other users.
I am jsut saying that broadcaster generally get pretty much a free deal when you look at what other services have to pay. The spectrum is government owned and it should not be given away to any commercial service, especially since it is such a rare commodity. There are only so many good places to be in the radio spectrum.

A broadcast license is still really cheap compared to a wireless telco license. Those are both commercial ventures and compete for very similar spectrum. Why should the telco pays sometime 100x or 1000x what a broadcaster is paying for a similar license? Well I mean other than they have a stronger lobby. ;)
 
That's not nearly as accurate. The reason the PBS is not government run is that there are legal prohibitions against broadcasting to our own citizens. That is also the reason that VOA does not (and cannot) broadcast it's signal in a fashion intended to be received in the US (the old shortwave VOA was receivable here but not intended to be received here - hard to broadcast from Bethany and not hit parts of the US).
That is the legal reason. But I stand by my reasoning behind it. It was formed for very John Stuart Millsian reasons.

When you get some time read this chapter, http://www.bartleby.com/130/2.html

You'll see what I am referring to.
 
i tried convincing leah, on the way to Sidnaw one year, that we were flying over Lake Wobegon, but she wouldn't believe me...
 
I am jsut saying that broadcaster generally get pretty much a free deal when you look at what other services have to pay. The spectrum is government owned and it should not be given away to any commercial service, especially since it is such a rare commodity. There are only so many good places to be in the radio spectrum.

A broadcast license is still really cheap compared to a wireless telco license. Those are both commercial ventures and compete for very similar spectrum. Why should the telco pays sometime 100x or 1000x what a broadcaster is paying for a similar license? Well I mean other than they have a stronger lobby. ;)

And how much did the wireless carriers pay for the 900 MHz cellular blocks that were originally used for analog? Back then you only paid an annual license fee, at best.

Prior to the advent of auctions, ALL spectrum was first-come, first-serve.

Cheap? The price is market. New broadcast users purchase their license allocation at auction just like wireless telcos. The bandwidth is less, and the coverage area may or may not be less (depending on the auction/allocation), so you really can't compare the price of a single, auctioned, 200 KHz bandwidth FM radio license in Sidnaw to the price of a 20 MHz PCS block in Chicago.

Now, ham radio operators get theirs for free.....

By the way, what constituted the property right that the Federal Government thinks it has in the radio spectrum, anyway? That's sorta like saying the air is the property right of the government and you should have a license and pay a fee for breathing... ;) Or maybe it was just a "taking"....(yeah, I'm being ****ty, but it is a fair question since the government doesn't "own" most the land in the US).

Remember that the original intent of the Radio laws and treaties was to act like a zoning board and make sure that uses were compatible so as to prevent interference and promote safety of life at sea.
 
Prior to the advent of auctions, ALL spectrum was first-come, first-serve.
Not entirely true, there had been licensing fees for a long time. The auction thing had the FCC seeing big buck and they started doing the whole auction thing.

Cheap? The price is market. New broadcast users purchase their license allocation at auction just like wireless telcos.
But the $$/Mhz is much lower for broadcaster. Telcos pay as much or more for small blocks of spectrum while broadcasters, especially TV get huge chunks. The exchange you mentioned before was hardly fair at all. The TV guys got way more spectrum for their narrower band stuff.

The bandwidth is less, and the coverage area may or may not be less (depending on the auction/allocation), so you really can't compare the price of a single, auctioned, 200 KHz bandwidth FM radio license in Sidnaw to the price of a 20 MHz PCS block in Chicago.
I can sorta agree with that except that the FCC has taken on this whole license for MTA or BTA concept. The broadcasters also have to have coverage of those areas. Considering the cost to deploy coverage too the telco are really getting raked.

Now, ham radio operators get theirs for free.....
Very true.

By the way, what constituted the property right that the Federal Government thinks it has in the radio spectrum, anyway? That's sorta like saying the air is the property right of the government and you should have a license and pay a fee for breathing... ;) Or maybe it was just a "taking"....(yeah, I'm being ****ty, but it is a fair question since the government doesn't "own" most the land in the US).
I am not sure when it started but I'll bet it is related to the communcations act of the 1936. All spectrum is government owned. International treaties cover how it will be used and managed. The ITU is part of the UN and I know that Department of Commerce and the DOD have a lot of say in how we in the US do things. Of course the FCC was given regulatory authority over the airwaves and the NTIA is the policy authority over US Spectrum. The US government has exercised its ownership of the airwaves in the past. In the 1940s ham radio was banned.

Remember that the original intent of the Radio laws and treaties was to act like a zoning board and make sure that uses were compatible so as to prevent interference and promote safety of life at sea.
I think that changed with the involvement of the DoD. They have reserved authority to boot everyone off of the air if they need the airwaves.
 
I've seen this quiz before. The masthead says "Americans Fail a Basic Test on Their History and Institutions," but some of the questions are in no way appropriate for a "basic" test, IMO. (And I'm not saying that out of sour grapes, because as I recall I scored pretty high on it.)

For example, a basic test would expect people to know what is in the Bill of Rights, but not necessarily know which right is in which amendment. (Question 10.)

The question on Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Aquinas is advanced, not basic. (Question 13.)

Other questions that seem more than basic to me include numbers 4, 7, 8, 11, 14, and 29.

Looks to me like they were trying too hard to "prove" their point.
 
Not entirely true, there had been licensing fees for a long time. The auction thing had the FCC seeing big buck and they started doing the whole auction thing.

Licensing fees were there for a while, then went away, then came back as annual regulatory fees. The whole fee structure was thrown out for a while. IIRC - and I may not - there was some court case over the fees claiming they weren't fair and bore no relation to the amount of regulation required.

They came back as "annual regulatory fees".

The application fees (as opposed to the annual license/regulatory fees) were somewhat higher and were based on the amount of work necessary to process an application. That was just the FCC fees - engineering and legal to prepare the applications were higher.

Auction is a different animal. IIRC, and again, I may be wrong as it's been a number of years, anyone who had licenses for spectrum prior to the auction was grandfathered into the spectrum they had with no auction fees. That included TV, Radio, land mobile, marine, and telco. New allocations were auctioned off to highest bidder.

But the $$/Mhz is much lower for broadcaster. Telcos pay as much or more for small blocks of spectrum while broadcasters, especially TV get huge chunks. The exchange you mentioned before was hardly fair at all. The TV guys got way more spectrum for their narrower band stuff.

Are you talking auctions or annual license/regulatory fees? For auction, it's simply market: companies are willing to bid more for their spectrum than TV. I'll agree that it's an imperfect marketplace as broadcast spectrum can't be used for telco and telco can't be used for high-power broadcasting, but within each allocation the market value is determined by auction: and that is the fairest and best way to determine market value.

Now, if we were to throw out both the international and domestic allocations process (and I've been deeply involved in both in my former life), then everyone could bid for any piece of spectrum.

I can sorta agree with that except that the FCC has taken on this whole license for MTA or BTA concept. The broadcasters also have to have coverage of those areas. Considering the cost to deploy coverage too the telco are really getting raked.

But that's not exactly the case. Some broadcast allocations serve only small portions of a BTA or MTA. Others serve the whole thing. On the TV side, an LPTV facility might only serve 100 square miles... while a full power station gives a radius of 50-75 miles or more. FM has about 7 classes of station (plus the low power stuff) that cover radii of 28 km up to 92 km... in the non-commercial segment, it's like the AM band - you can cover as much as you want without interfering with someone else.... up to that 92 km protected area (the radii are over a flat earth - terrain factors into the coverage).

The crux is this: a broadcaster may not cover an entire MTA or BTA. It's really a different animal.

The telco side makes much more efficient use of the spectrum in terms of number of signals within the MTA/BTA, while the broadcaster is less efficient in terms of number of signals. In terms of simultaneous "users" (listeners/viewers), broadcast used to have the edge - I'm certain in most areas that telco does now. Heck, most of the TV delivery is through cable systems as opposed to over-the-air (which is why the DTV conversion was not a bigger CF than it was).

Were we to reallocate the spectrum now, I think a good case could be made for eliminating much of the TV broadcast spectrum and letting folks that want to watch TV do so via cable/satellite. The government certainly would be richer.

I am not sure when it started but I'll bet it is related to the communcations act of the 1936. All spectrum is government owned. International treaties cover how it will be used and managed. The ITU is part of the UN and I know that Department of Commerce and the DOD have a lot of say in how we in the US do things. Of course the FCC was given regulatory authority over the airwaves and the NTIA is the policy authority over US Spectrum. The US government has exercised its ownership of the airwaves in the past. In the 1940s ham radio was banned.

Damn Roosevelt. ;) (j/k)

As you know, I've been on negotiating teams at ITU, and supported some of the WARC efforts. DOC (NTIA) manages the non-mil governmental allocations and makes recommendations to both the Mil and FCC with regard to their regulatory/use environment. FCC has regulatory authority over the private spectrum - NTIA and the Pentagon regulate the military & government spectrum (for example, all FAA facilities are allocated through NTIA and the FAA frequency office - but FCC licenses aircraft). NTIA does set national telecom/radio policy. (Side note: I ran across Larry Irving recently in an electronics store and had a nice, but short, conversation).

I think that changed with the involvement of the DoD. They have reserved authority to boot everyone off of the air if they need the airwaves.

That's not quite the case, but in practice that's what happens. The Act provides for various agencies to set rules - and there is statutory authority to order licensees off the air in times of national emergency. Technically the way it works is that the executive branch invokes that authority and the FCC actually executes the orders with licensees.

During your aforementioned WWII ham silence, it was the FCC that actually enforced the silence - and it was during that time that many of the FCC monitoring stations were established.

The original radio acts were established to support SOLAS because the bedlam of unregulated spectrum was causing a problem with respect to ship distress calls. The whole thing was revamped in 1934 as part of the original telecom act - which established the FCC and removed radio regulation from the Commerce Department.

That still didn't convey "ownership" of the spectrum to the government, it established a licensing process for licenses to use. That's part of the reason that the government didn't start selling spectrum until the '90's in the auction process - when they realized that licenses had become essentially "expectations of renewal" and those licenses could be sold for a lot of money. I spent some time representing clients at the FCC in the process that established the auction process.
 
That still didn't convey "ownership" of the spectrum to the government, it established a licensing process for licenses to use. That's part of the reason that the government didn't start selling spectrum until the '90's in the auction process - when they realized that licenses had become essentially "expectations of renewal" and those licenses could be sold for a lot of money. I spent some time representing clients at the FCC in the process that established the auction process.
I think we are in general agreement about most of the things above. Just minor viewpoint differences but basically the same feelings.

The ownership thing I have heard from people before. Mostly people at NTIA and DoD, BTW I did the past two WRCs as well and do some spectrum policy stuff on the side. I actually spent more time with the Chinese doing spectrum planning for them in the 1990s'.

I agree FCC regulates and enforces, but they have a lessor role for policy. They can do sub-policy, but major over all policy comes out of NTIA and DOD and they do feel that they own the spectrum. I know that spectrum is a treaty issue and we administer it as a commodity.

The Nextwave case was interesting because if I recall properly they won a spectrum auction and then declared the award part of their assets when they went bankrupt. There was a claim that the US Government had only lent them the spectrum. I do not recall all the details but I am pretty sure that the judge ruled that Nextwave had a right to the spectrum for a certain period of time and that the US Gov could claim it back only if Nextwave or whomever they sold their right to did not live up to the terms of the auction. I remember it sure sounding like a rental property case and not one of pure regulation.
 
I think we are in general agreement about most of the things above. Just minor viewpoint differences but basically the same feelings.

The ownership thing I have heard from people before. Mostly people at NTIA and DoD, BTW I did the past two WRCs as well and do some spectrum policy stuff on the side. I actually spent more time with the Chinese doing spectrum planning for them in the 1990s'.

I agree FCC regulates and enforces, but they have a lessor role for policy. They can do sub-policy, but major over all policy comes out of NTIA and DOD and they do feel that they own the spectrum. I know that spectrum is a treaty issue and we administer it as a commodity.

Thought I agreed that NTIA set national spectrum policy. Maybe I didn't. DOD's role is about the same as FCC - and they don't always win.

But yeah, we're saying about the same thing.

The Nextwave case was interesting because if I recall properly they won a spectrum auction and then declared the award part of their assets when they went bankrupt. There was a claim that the US Government had only lent them the spectrum. I do not recall all the details but I am pretty sure that the judge ruled that Nextwave had a right to the spectrum for a certain period of time and that the US Gov could claim it back only if Nextwave or whomever they sold their right to did not live up to the terms of the auction. I remember it sure sounding like a rental property case and not one of pure regulation.

Agree.

The twist in the Nextwave deal was that they had only paid a small amount of the overall license fee, and part of the bankruptcy case revolved around the payment amount & terms for the auction bid. The lawsuit arose when Nextwave didn't make payments on time.

The issue wasn't the "asset" piece per se (once granted, a license is an asset that may be transferred or handled in bankruptcy like any other asset), it was valuation and payment for the asset - and whether the FCC could take back the asset to reacution if the company defaulted.

I'm sure there was a legal challenge over "ownership" matters as the government started auctions, but I'd have to dig back into the stuff I have in storage. It's been a l-o-n-g time...
 
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The twist in the Nextwave deal was that they had only paid a small amount of the overall license fee, and part of the bankruptcy case revolved around the payment amount & terms for the auction bid. The lawsuit arose when Nextwave didn't make payments on time..
Ah ya, they claimed that the bankruptcy alleviated them having to pay the full payment to the FCC but were still able to maintain the ownership of the license. I still cannot recall the ownership issues that entailed, just that it was all very unusual.

Nonetheless, one thing for sure the government does maintain that we are just temporary users of the airways. How would that be different than their out right owning of them?
 
Ah ya, they claimed that the bankruptcy alleviated them having to pay the full payment to the FCC but were still able to maintain the ownership of the license. I still cannot recall the ownership issues that entailed, just that it was all very unusual.

Nonetheless, one thing for sure the government does maintain that we are just temporary users of the airways. How would that be different than their out right owning of them?

On a practical basis, not much. Except they could "sell" them outright and transfer overall property rights (as opposed to just a license). And I'm not sure there is an underlying basis to establish "ownership" by the Feds (it's not in the Constitution, nor any other "fundamental" document, as best I can tell), any more than they can establish ownership of light or the air. Water is not as sticky because water is a tangible.
 
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VOA was mentioned. I have listened to it. Sometimes our Propaganda on VOA is just as silly as the USSR & Cuba 's(Listened to thiers to). During the Viet Nam war I listened to Radio Hanoi a few times. DaveR
 
VOA was mentioned. I have listened to it. Sometimes our Propaganda on VOA is just as silly as the USSR & Cuba 's(Listened to thiers to). During the Viet Nam war I listened to Radio Hanoi a few times. DaveR

Well, if it wern't, it wouldn't be propaganda, would it?:D
 
VOA was mentioned. I have listened to it. Sometimes our Propaganda on VOA is just as silly as the USSR & Cuba 's(Listened to thiers to). During the Viet Nam war I listened to Radio Hanoi a few times. DaveR

I knew a number of the top folks who worked there back in the 80's and 90's. And some that did contract work for them.

I'll refrain from comment on that one... ;)
 
I knew a number of the top folks who worked there back in the 80's and 90's. And some that did contract work for them.

I'll refrain from comment on that one... ;)
I listened to them a lot. Would love to one day hear about some of the stories you know.

I met the station engineer from WWVH once. That is the alleged National Bureau of standards time station on Kauai. I got a nice tour of the station too.
 
VOA was mentioned. I have listened to it. Sometimes our Propaganda on VOA is just as silly as the USSR & Cuba 's(Listened to thiers to). During the Viet Nam war I listened to Radio Hanoi a few times. DaveR

We listened to VOA in Poland. BBC too. Propaganda or not, it sure was nice hearing the other side of the story.
 
I listened to them a lot. Would love to one day hear about some of the stories you know.

I met the station engineer from WWVH once. That is the alleged National Bureau of standards time station on Kauai. I got a nice tour of the station too.

Always love to tell the stories.

I had the chance to visit the ITT longwave station Amaganset and the longwave station at Riverhead before they closed. And VOA Bethany (as well as the old WLW 500KW facility).

Very interesting....
 
My interest in communication started when I was about 12 years old. I had an old shortwave set and would listen to VOA, Radio Moscow, Deutche Welle, BBC, Radio Havana, etc. I still have all my QSL cards and other souvenirs form writing to those stations. It was great fun. I really enjoyed the Christmas card I would get from Fidel Castro every year, he finally stopped sending them in the 1980s, telling me the "duty of every revolutionary is to start the revolution".

I got these from writing to Radio Havana. I loved the whole irony of a communist/atheist government sending me, a non-Christian, a Christmas card. There is humor there!!

The best was when I was have lunch with my CO in the USAF and I had stopped to pick up my mail on the way to the club. I opened my annual Christmas card from Fidel and he saw it. I explained it to him what was going on and we had a good laugh. The guys with the USAF OSI even got good a laugh, they knew me pretty well from having to report contacts via ham radio to them all the time. But the look on my COs face when I first opened the envelope was priceless.
 
My interest in communication started when I was about 12 years old. I had an old shortwave set and would listen to VOA, Radio Moscow, Deutche Welle, BBC, Radio Havana, etc. I still have all my QSL cards and other souvenirs form writing to those stations. It was great fun. I really enjoyed the Christmas card I would get from Fidel Castro every year, he finally stopped sending them in the 1980s, telling me the "duty of every revolutionary is to start the revolution".

I got these from writing to Radio Havana. I loved the whole irony of a communist/atheist government sending me, a non-Christian, a Christmas card. There is humor there!!

The best was when I was have lunch with my CO in the USAF and I had stopped to pick up my mail on the way to the club. I opened my annual Christmas card from Fidel and he saw it. I explained it to him what was going on and we had a good laugh. The guys with the USAF OSI even got good a laugh, they knew me pretty well from having to report contacts via ham radio to them all the time. But the look on my COs face when I first opened the envelope was priceless.


That is funny, It made me think of kind of a non sequiter. That Spy vs. Spy Cartoon from MAD magazine. It also made me think how funny it would be if Castro would have sent those christmas cards to folks like G. Edgar Hoover or who ever was head of the FBI or CIA at any given time or visa versa for that matter with a little personal not scribbled on it. That would have been a hoot.
 
I have a hard time listening to the news folks on regular radio. Commercial radio does not dig into the story much, their breathless reading of "breaking news" makes me tired. I like NPR news. I like the entertaining shows. I'm glad it is around. If there was a commercial alternative, I'd listen to it, but there does not seem to be anything else like it.

Before "John Tesh" and his radio program came around, I'd wondered why the History channel or the Discovery Channel could not make a go at radio. His show is probably some of what it would be like, but still too much music, not enough talk, and no in-depth stories or coverage.
 
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