American Airlines Cites Obama for Delay; Hysteria Ensues

kayoh190 said:
I have a union, but that doesn't mean I can go against my manual. We have pretty specific requirements about what's allowed with regard to the uniform. I won't be able to hide behind my union if I decide to wear earrings, for example. :)
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The best physical therapist I know, who built a multimillion dollar sports medicine business, worked for two NFL organizations and countless others, and did three tours as a Marine -- sports an earring.

Nobody cares except the incredibly shallow. But we are talking about the biz that thinks polyester suits look professional.
 
Everskyward said:
For every anecdotal story someone can tell about being delayed or inconvenienced by a politician of one party, someone else can tell a similar story about a politician of the other party...
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Absolutely true and as long as the pilot just reports the facts as to why the delay is occurring and does not add personal opinions regarding the politician involved or otherwise editorialize then there is no harm done. There is absolutely no logical or real difference between saying "we are on hold due to a thunderstorm east of the field" and "we are on hold due to a TFR for (insert politician's name here)". It is only in the mind of the overly biased listener that a difference exists.
 
Busflyer said:
It's my flight case. They really can't say anything about what I put on it. (Within limits, I'm sure anything obscene would cause some trouble.)

When I flew Jetstreams way long ago, we had a crewmember who taped a copy of his W2 to the end of his case. If you're not familiar with the Jetstreams, the front row passengers were right behind us. Company didn't like it but they couldn't make him remove it.
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What was his point?
 
denverpilot said:
The best physical therapist I know, who built a multimillion dollar sports medicine business, worked for two NFL organizations and countless others, and did three tours as a Marine -- sports an earring.

Nobody cares except the incredibly shallow. But we are talking about the biz that thinks polyester suits look professional.
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When I was younger, I was a nonconformist, which is one of the reasons airlines never were an attraction. I swore I would never take a job that required wearing a uniform, but I did. I learned that the one who has the gold makes the rules. Although I still have my little rebellions, one thing I'm careful about is keeping potential controversial opinions to myself when in front of customers.
 
Everskyward said:
When I was younger, I was a nonconformist, which is one of the reasons airlines never were an attraction. I swore I would never take a job that required wearing a uniform, but I did. I learned that the one who has the gold makes the rules. Although I still have my little rebellions, one thing I'm careful about is keeping potential controversial opinions to myself when in front of customers.
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Well said. I never talk about politics to my students or administration, I never discuss controversial topics to my students or admin. If they have issues with one of my pictures on my board I will cover the bad parts or take them down. Don't show your hand in front of your customers or bosses. I have my ways rebelling that will not cause a divide.
My new personal rebellion device this year is to show up for every meeting fifteen minutes late. It show them that my meeting give-a-**** meter is pegged. Don't care to sit through another useless hour of listening to how great our new presidents assessment system is, or how we need to fill out the new TPS reports.
 
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Busflyer said:
It's my flight case. They really can't say anything about what I put on it. (Within limits, I'm sure anything obscene would cause some trouble.)
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We had one Captain who had a sticker on the side of her flight case that said "I'd Rather Take The Train" and the company made her remove it.
 
Everskyward said:
When I was younger, I was a nonconformist, which is one of the reasons airlines never were an attraction. I swore I would never take a job that required wearing a uniform, but I did. I learned that the one who has the gold makes the rules. Although I still have my little rebellions, one thing I'm careful about is keeping potential controversial opinions to myself when in front of customers.
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Everskyward said:
For every anecdotal story someone can tell about being delayed or inconvenienced by a politician of one party, someone else can tell a similar story about a politician of the other party...
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True, but this president has used af1 for more personal trips than any other. He has been in Mia over 40 times in his presidency. Often just to play golf. his wife is done here at least one a month it seems. They love to hob Bob with the rap stars on south beach.

Bob
 
unsafervguy said:
True, but this president has used af1 for more personal trips than any other. He has been in Mia over 40 times in his presidency. Often just to play golf. his wife is done here at least one a month it seems. They love to hob Bob with the rap stars on south beach.

Bob
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Did you get those stats off of FB, an email chain or a partisan blog?
 
Everskyward said:
Unless you have a union or some other force behind you, companies can tell you what to wear, what to say, and what you can display on the job. In fact, some companies will put limitations on what you can or can't do off the job.
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This will get referred to the Captain's Committee, where they will tell him to take the sticker off, and nothing more will come of it.
 
SkyDog58 said:
I agree and it irritates me when a news story online is filled with tweets. Heck even the TV news folks report on what the twits say these days. Horrible.
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Twitter is now the best source and aggregator of news.

Completely replaced my daily newspaper, local TV news, and national TV news.






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JoseCuervo said:
Twitter is now the best source and aggregator of news.

Completely replaced my daily newspaper, local TV news, and national TV news.
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Man I like reading newspapers, always have. The Birmingham area is around 1.2 million people. Used to have morning and evening papers 7 days a week. Then just the morning paper. A few years ago they decided to publish 3 days a week, W, F, and Sun. And the quality went downhill and some of the national writers were left out. Finally became disgusted with it and cancelled my subscription. And their website absolutely sucks.
 
mscard88 said:
Man I like reading newspapers, always have. The Birmingham area is around 1.2 million people. Used to have morning and evening papers 7 days a week. Then just the morning paper. A few years ago they decided to publish 3 days a week, W, F, and Sun. And the quality went downhill and some of the national writers were left out. Finally became disgusted with it and cancelled my subscription. And their website absolutely sucks.
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I think we will find we lose a valuable check on local and state governments with the demise of local investigative reporters from local newspapers.

An example is the Bridgegate crimes with Governor Christie. That story was broken by local print reporters.

I agree the value in their product is gone, but there is still value in their role.


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Jimmy cooper said:
He should have quit and gone to medical school. Nothing worse than a whiner.
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So you're saying that everyone should expect to make whatever they were making when they got hired, right? I assume you've never had or wanted a raise?
 
JoseCuervo said:
I think we will find we lose a valuable check on local and state governments with the demise of local investigative reporters from local newspapers.

An example is the Bridgegate crimes with Governor Christie. That story was broken by local print reporters.

I agree the value in their product is gone, but there is still value in their role.


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The local TV stations seem to have picked up that ball for now. Don't know how long they can last on car dealership and grocery store commercials, though. We have, I think, five prime time news programs around here with some weird buyouts of smaller broadcaster's sites into the larger fold.

They never seem to run out of fresh faces on them, but they've got so many "anchors" nobody thinks of any of them as the "trusted" people they've watched for years like when there were three. And they make the non-anchors/Weather/sports underlings cover multiple broadcasts at different times now.

Most nights it's two real local articles, two tiny b-roll shots of local car crashes or police chases, and 40 minutes of national filler of little substance or work from the network.
 
Busflyer said:
So you're saying that everyone should expect to make whatever they were making when they got hired, right? I assume you've never had or wanted a raise?
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You " assume" completely wrong. Anyone who flys for the airlines knows exactly how it works, time in grade, tenure, etc. and knew when they started. As for flying for a company, if it's a decent one, it's been explained to them how their particular flight dept. works as they are hired. . One always has the prerogative to leave.
 
Jimmy cooper said:
You " assume" completely wrong. Anyone who flys for the airlines knows exactly how it works, time in grade, tenure, etc. and knew when they started. As for flying for a company, if it's a decent one, it's been explained to them how their particular flight dept. works as they are hired. . One always has the prerogative to leave.
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Just like anyone who knows about how airline labor contracts work. Come the amendable date, the unions are going to work for higher wages. In the 70s, a captain making a 100k a year was doing great. If the employee groups followed your thinking and we were still making a 100k as captains then that's not nearly as great in terms of buying power.
 
denverpilot said:
The local TV stations seem to have picked up that ball for now. Don't know how long they can last on car dealership and grocery store commercials, though. We have, I think, five prime time news programs around here with some weird buyouts of smaller broadcaster's sites into the larger fold.

They never seem to run out of fresh faces on them, but they've got so many "anchors" nobody thinks of any of them as the "trusted" people they've watched for years like when there were three. And they make the non-anchors/Weather/sports underlings cover multiple broadcasts at different times now.

Most nights it's two real local articles, two tiny b-roll shots of local car crashes or police chases, and 40 minutes of national filler of little substance or work from the network.
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I can't think of any stories broken by our local TV news. Most "reporters" are 23-25 year olds just out of journalism school, hoping to get a job doing weekend anchor shows or moving to Podunk, Missouri to get a promotion to Morning Anchor.

Doesn't seem like reporters stay around long enough to develop "sources" at the State House or City Hall. No way they would be able or authorized to spend a month taking down a crooked politician. Too many "feel good" stories about grade school fundraisers and charity events needing 2 minutes of video before some out of context news story about large hail in some state 1500 miles away.


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mscard88 said:
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We had one Captain who had a sticker on the side of her flight case that said "I'd Rather Take The Train" and the company made her remove it.
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I recall being in a control tower on business about 25 years ago. Talking with one of the techs, he mentioned that he had to go to OKC for training... He went over, dialed Amtrak, and reserved seats on the train. He looked at us and said that he knew too much about how things worked in the 'system'.
 
Everskyward said:
Unless you have a union or some other force behind you, companies can tell you what to wear, what to say, and what you can display on the job. In fact, some companies will put limitations on what you can or can't do off the job.
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Being the President of my company, I make the rules (with my wife's permission, of course). Being retired from corporate America is wonderful.
 
Busflyer said:
Just like anyone who knows about how airline labor contracts work. Come the amendable date, the unions are going to work for higher wages. In the 70s, a captain making a 100k a year was doing great. If the employee groups followed your thinking and we were still making a 100k as captains then that's not nearly as great in terms of buying power.
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Your whining again. Go to Medical school, start a hedge fund. Etc.
 
Bonchie said:
Can a meteor just hit us already?

Pilot had a Trump sticker on his bag so that means he can't mention Obama's name without a political firestorm. He announced that they were delayed because of a TFR for President Obama. A NBC "journalist" on the plane rapidly tweeted out that a pilot with a Trump sticker was blaming Obama for the delay.

You can read the timeline from there. Wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And now AA responded saying they are referring the matter to their leadership team. Do I think the pilot will actually get in trouble? Depends on how hot the fire gets. But AA has to put on a good front for all the foaming at the mouth tweeters I guess.

https://twitter.com/AnthonyNBCNews/status/794699164458348545?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

https://twitter.com/AmericanAir/status/794705733388410880?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
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I had to cancel two lessons last week because of TFR's. Tuesday the RDU TFR and Friday a FAY TFR. Both overlap KTTA. What a stupid pain in the ass
 
Jimmy cooper said:
Your whining again. Go to Medical school, start a hedge fund. Etc.
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People aren't allowed to attempt to improve their existing situation? Folks negotiate better working conditions with their employers all the time. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As an aside, my girlfriend is a surgical resident. For the amount of time she's required to be at the hospital, she's pulling down the equivalent of about $14/hr (and her salary is quite a bit higher than a typical resident since she's working in one of the most expensive cities in the country). Yes she knew what she was getting into. No she's not going to quit to go start a hedge fund. When she comes home after yet another 16 hour day and makes an offhanded comment about her schedule, do you think I should tell her to stop whining?

If yes, you must be single. :)
 
kayoh190 said:
People aren't allowed to attempt to improve their existing situation? Folks negotiate better working conditions with their employers all the time. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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To me, bashing your employer's pay scale, in public, to their customers, doesn't seem like the best way to go about it. But I also realize that this is the way many industries work, especially when the employee is protected by a union. An individual probably wouldn't get away with that, especially if there were others in line, willing to take that job.
 
Everskyward said:
To me, bashing your employer's pay scale, in public, to their customers, doesn't seem like the best way to go about it. But I also realize that this is the way many industries work, especially when the employee is protected by a union. An individual probably wouldn't get away with that, especially if there were others in line, willing to take that job.
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I agree with you. I wouldn't do that either. Hell, I don't even like it when my crew airs company crap on the hotel van (assuming non-crew are sharing the van with us). I was more just taking issue with the 'quit and do something else' answer that always tends to pop up anytime anyone complains about their job.
 
kayoh190 said:
When she comes home after yet another 16 hour day and makes an offhanded comment about her schedule, do you think I should tell her to stop whining?
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If you want to stop hearing it, yes. Tell her to stop whining. And remind her she's making a lot more than she was as an intern when she was PAYING to put in long hours.

BTDT.
 
rolivi said:
Tell her to stop whining. And remind her she's making a lot more than she was an intern when she was PAYING to put in long hours.

BTDT.
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I don't disagree with you, but as someone that enjoys getting laid on a regular basis, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut. :p :p

To be fair to her, she doesn't complain about it much at all. In fact, I'm really impressed by how well she keeps it together week in and week out given the brutal schedule.
 
Mine was my wife at the time. I have no idea what she whines about these days, but I'm sure there's something. Whiners whine. They never stop. Sometimes when they aren't whining they get depressed about not having something to whine about.
 
Everskyward said:
To me, bashing your employer's pay scale, in public, to their customers, doesn't seem like the best way to go about it. But I also realize that this is the way many industries work, especially when the employee is protected by a union. An individual probably wouldn't get away with that, especially if there were others in line, willing to take that job.
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It would be interesting how society would be different if we knew how much everyone is paid that we run into.

Would you treat the cashier at MCDonalds differently?

The bartender?




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