AME contacted the FAA to "warn" them about me!

I don't live my life huddled in a corner fearing the SOBs of the world.

Try it.
 
danhagan said:
A friend of mine was going to give up flying as his AME told him he had an irregular heart beat. I told him, "Not so fast" ... I'm in medical imaging and know a bunch of great cardiologists. Long story short, cardiologists cleared him after a couple of months of paperwork, EKG, Echocardiogram ... he thought and was told by his original AME it was doubtful he would ever fly again. He has a benign positional irregular rhythm. I helped another guy that was told "abnormal EKG" ... the leads weren't placed correctly on the original EKG exam. Don't let anyone place leads on you that isn't a heart specialist.
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Once my Doc's nurse was taking a third EKG on me and I asked Doc WTF is going on. He said that it was showing I had had a heart attack. What wouldn't I know? He said not necessarily. Well he grounds me, I call the airline and Chief Pilot about it and got released from 4 days of flying (aww). Doc had me scheduled to see a cardiologist on the following Monday (this was on Thur). So the next few days every time I felt something I was paranoid I was having a heart attack. So Mon comes and I undergo a nuclear stress tests and a scan of my heart. A cardiologist that was a local pilot looked at my EKG from Doc's office and said there was nothing wrong with my heart. Finally the scan didn't show anything and I was good to go. So danhagan is correct!
 
Did you fight in the millitary for your nation and her constitution?

Did you fight just to censor your voice now?


You speak the truth to help others, censoring that is as bad as what that "doctor" tried to pull on you.
 
Correct, you're afraid to speak your mind, what a pathetic country we have become when speaking the truth is considered being a "bad ass" :(
 
James331 said:
Correct, you're afraid to speak your mind, what a pathetic country we have become when speaking the truth is considered being a "bad ass" :(
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What makes you think he is afraid to speak his mind. It sounds to me like he is recommending being prudent, level headed, and being mindful of possible litigation. That isn't cowering in fear and it doesn't make our country pathetic.
 
Yes sir, no matter how you sugar coat it, it is pathetic.

Saying the truth is always prudent, and folks worried about litigation, well....., speak the truth, walk with honor and try to help your fellow man, that's always the best policy.
 
Let me spell it out for you James so you can understand, I am not afraid to speak my mind, as a matter of fact, I am speaking it now. I suggested the op might want to consider a different approach. The reason I suggest this is because the AME in question wrote a private letter as an agent of the FAA. Wile he is probably a tool, he did nothing illegal. Now the op basically said, on a public website that the AME had a nefarious purpose and is suggesting he has a motive other than safety. The op named him and I believe whether you agree or disagree, the op has opened himself to legal issues. He is free to do as he chooses. You gave advice, while I disagree, I will be polite and let another grown man make his own decisions without calling your advice out or calling you pathetic or any other derogatory term. Now I will prepare for more of your internet badassery.
 
netsurfr said:
Hope posting his name doesn't somehow come back to bite me so I'll say this.... This is merely my own experience and opinion. The AME is T_ J_ out of Milwaukee, WI.
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Yikes! Close to home! :eek:

FWIW, when I moved here, I didn't know who to go to. I work for another pilot, he suggested Douglas Brown, who has an office in Brookfield. He sends postcards when you're nearing expiration and gives you a discount on the postcard as well. He's not a senior AME so can't do first class, and if you have a more complex medical I'd still visit Dr. Bruce, but mine is simple (no SIs) so I stay local for now. Since it was my first visit with him, we did revisit all of the "previously reported, no change" items but other than that it was quick and professional. And reasonably priced on top of it since he's not a pilot and doesn't need to make airplane money. ;)
 
Well I decided to edit my posts to remove the AME's name. Sorry James but taking the safe path. I got enough going on in my life that I don't need to worry about a bonehead AME.

PS - Please edit any post you may have quoted me on that included the name of the AME. Thanks!
 
That's disappointing.

It's your call, I took the quacks name out of my quote.
 
I took a closer look at the letter the AME wrote and found 2 instances where he altered the truth so I've decided to try to contact the local RFS as I did find information on the FAA AME section of the website that talked about the penalties for both airmen AND AMEs for knowingly submitting false information. Perhaps the guy will get a letter from the FAA informing him that I have filed a complaint challenging those 2 statements he made and that should be enough to make him sweat a little.
 
One airman against CAMA and the AMA. Good luck with that. You'd be better off moving forward with your life and stop dwelling on problems already resolved.
 
Stewartb said:
One airman against CAMA and the AMA. Good luck with that. You'd be better off moving forward with your life and stop dwelling on problems already solved.
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May be a wasted effort, but this is an example of what's wrong with this country today. People afraid to challenge powerful groups or those in power who behave badly. A big reason for Trump's success. IMO.
 
netsurfr said:
Is there any formal complaint one can file on AME's?
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I don't know about through the FAA but a libel lawsuit might be appropriate. He harmed you by making false statements about you to others. Those statements and the harm are clearly documented. HIPAA comes to mind too although he can probably claim an out under a required reporting clause...although it's not clear to me that his reporting was required.
 
mscard88 said:
May be a wasted effort, but this is an example of what's wrong with this country today. People afraid to challenge powerful groups or those in power who behave badly. A big reason for Trump's success. IMO.
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That.

Times 100!
 
mulligan said:
You have your medical. Be thankful and move on. Getting frustrated is letting him win.
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AMEs provide a service for which pilots pay good money. I don't think complaining about terrible service and a doctor not acting in good faith, and letting other consumers know about it, is "letting him win." The OP went through additional time and expense because of this clown, why should he be "thankful" for that? AMEs aren't somehow doing pilots a favor by providing them with medicals.
 
Who was damaged and what were the damages? This is truly a silly discussion. The OP should go visit a lawyer so the lawyer can tell him to pull up his big boy pants and move on.
 
Stewartb said:
One airman against CAMA and the AMA. Good luck with that. You'd be better off moving forward with your life and stop dwelling on problems already resolved.
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He might be just one airman, but there may be others with complaints filed or that may be filed in the future.
 
A doctor makes a report of what he deems a suspicious cancellation and the FAA responded with a simple investigation. No harm, no foul. Maybe he should sue the FAA?

The thing to learn here is to not initiate and cancel an appointment like he did.
 
mscard88 said:
May be a wasted effort, but this is an example of what's wrong with this country today. People afraid to challenge powerful groups or those in power who behave badly. A big reason for Trump's success. IMO.
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It's easy to be brave when advising someone else to fight the battle.
 
Brave? It's not like it's a gun battle to the death, were talking about leaving the guy a bad review or maybe writing a letter to the FAA.
 
Stewartb said:
A doctor makes a report of what he deems a suspicious cancellation and the FAA responded with a simple investigation. No harm, no foul. Maybe he should sue the FAA?

The thing to learn here is to not initiate and cancel an appointment like he did.
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Only problem I have with what allegedly went down is that he claimed the applicant was going to lie to another AME or on another application. That was just wrong. He should not be able to make that claim, that was out of line. (unless some other dialog went on that we aren't aware of) Even if he had said he was going to another AME I doubt he said he was going to lie to another AME. Perhaps if the exchange had ended with 'ok, I know what you need from me to issue' and just never go back. vs. Telling him, I'll go to someone else. He wouldn't know if you decided to just go sport pilot or not fly or whatever, and maybe not felt obligated to raise a flag.
 
Palmpilot said:
It's easy to be brave when advising someone else to fight the battle.
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The OP wrote that the examiner wrote two untruths in his report to the feds. He has a right to question that, and hopefully have that part removed. I would too. Maybe you wouldn't but that's your deal.
 
My last point and I am out of this. If I were in the op's shoes, I would move on not because I am scared or pathetic or anything else. I would move on because it's just not a hill I would be willing to die on. I pick my battles and for me, this one isn't worth fighting. If I did choose to challenge this, I would do it quietly with the help of a capable attorney and rather than exposing myself to potential legal problems by going public with his name. If this had caused me real damage, it might be different. In this case, the op went to a different doc, got his medical and learned a valuable lesson. But that is my opinion, everyone has one and mine is no more valid than yours.....and vice versa.
 
mscard88 said:
Once my Doc's nurse was taking a third EKG on me and I asked Doc WTF is going on. He said that it was showing I had had a heart attack. What wouldn't I know? He said not necessarily. Well he grounds me, I call the airline and Chief Pilot about it and got released from 4 days of flying (aww). Doc had me scheduled to see a cardiologist on the following Monday (this was on Thur). So the next few days every time I felt something I was paranoid I was having a heart attack. So Mon comes and I undergo a nuclear stress tests and a scan of my heart. A cardiologist that was a local pilot looked at my EKG from Doc's office and said there was nothing wrong with my heart. Finally the scan didn't show anything and I was good to go. So danhagan is correct!
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I'd be seeking damages from the AME for the cost of exams, lost pay, general aggravation due to his malpractice.
 
mikeinbama said:
I pick my battles and for me, this one isn't worth fighting. If I did choose to challenge this, I would do it quietly with the help of a capable attorney and rather than exposing myself to potential legal problems by going public with his name. If this had caused me real damage, it might be different.
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This. But everyone has their own risk/reward decision to make.
 
paflyer said:
I'd be seeking damages from the AME for the cost of exams, lost pay, general aggravation due to his malpractice.
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Until you went to a lawyer and he told you that you have no case because part of the AME's job is to report potentially "unsafe" pilots. Yes, the AME may have been ****ed off due to OP going to a different doctor, and that may have been part of the reason for the letter he wrote, but in the end he can claim it was for safety. Case dismissed. Thanks for stopping by.

Why waste any more time and energy on this a-hole. Let it go and move on to more positive things.
 
orange said:
Until you went to a lawyer and he told you that you have no case because part of the AME's job is to report potentially "unsafe" pilots. Yes, the AME may have been ****ed off due to OP going to a different doctor, and that may have been part of the reason for the letter he wrote, but in the end he can claim it was for safety. Case dismissed. Thanks for stopping by.

Why waste any more time and energy on this a-hole. Let it go and move on to more positive things.
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I was responding to post #42.

Re OP, A=hole was miffed about being "challenged",pulled the contempt-of-doc card and abused his position by ratting to the FAA. I'd go out of my way to ruin his business.
 
James331 said:
Brave? It's not like it's a gun battle to the death, were talking about leaving the guy a bad review or maybe writing a letter to the FAA.
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It's easy to minimize the risks faced by others.
 
Stewartb said:
Who was damaged and what were the damages? This is truly a silly discussion. The OP should go visit a lawyer so the lawyer can tell him to pull up his big boy pants and move on.
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Nobody said anything about a lawsuit. The OP asked who in the FAA he could file a complaint against the AME with.

It's not silly to ask AMEs to act reasonably with their clients.
 
mscard88 said:
The OP wrote that the examiner wrote two untruths in his report to the feds. He has a right to question that, and hopefully have that part removed. I would too. Maybe you wouldn't but that's your deal.
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I agree that he has the right to question it, but it's his choice to make as to whether and how far to take it, and I think it's unfair for people who are not in a position to suffer any consequences to criticize him for whatever choice he makes.
 
Palmpilot said:
I agree that he has the right to fight that battle, but it's his choice to make, and I think it's unfair for people who are not in a position to suffer any consequences to criticize him for whatever choice he makes.
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Oh I agree it's his choice and I only was pointing out what he wrote about two untruths and what I would do.
 
Stewartb said:
Who was damaged and what were the damages?
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The OP was damaged to whatever it cost him in time and money to disprove what the doctor falsely claimed about him. The doctor was in no position to know the OP's current medical status and made an assumption based on a belief that the OP was lying.

Damages and he even acted in bad faith.
 
Palmpilot said:
It's easy to minimize the risks faced by others.
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You and I have a different definition of "risk" I think.

Leaving bad reviews for someone giving crap service isn't something I consider risk, just called being a consumer.
 
James331 said:
You and I have a different definition of "risk" I think.

Leaving bad reviews for someone giving crap service isn't something I consider risk, just called being a consumer.
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Believe it or not, I agree with you here James. I could be way off base, but I think putting a review on Yelp or airnav etc. is acceptable and you can argue that it is just that, a review. Lighting the guy up on a message board (even if he may deserve it) is taking a bigger risk. There are sites to review doctors, that would be appropriate.
 
What the difference between leaving a review of poor service on Yelp, google, or POA?
 
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