Airworthiness Certificate from 1956

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I called the local FSDO and made an appointment to get a new airworthiness certificate issues from my '56 C172.

He called me back and said "WOW...I bet that thing doesnt even say the right agency on it, it should be replaced regardless of condition".

Tomorrow at 3pm I'm dropping by on my way home from work to pick up my new one.

For the archives, this is the original. I did some reading the crossing out of the word "expire" was a requirement.
 

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Airworthiness certificates used to expire annually (part of your annual inspection recertified them). Occasionally you'll hear old timers refer to the annual inspection as "relicensing".

I've got some similar old ones kicking around in my files (1950 aircraft) but the current one is a more modern FAA issuance.
 
gitmo234 said:
I called the local FSDO and made an appointment to get a new airworthiness certificate issues from my '56 C172.

He called me back and said "WOW...I bet that thing doesnt even say the right agency on it, it should be replaced regardless of condition".

Tomorrow at 3pm I'm dropping by on my way home from work to pick up my new one.

For the archives, this is the original. I did some reading the crossing out of the word "expire" was a requirement.
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Mine is getting long in the tooth as well. Funny, I laminated mine as well to prevent any further degradation. What did they charge you and was it as simple as asking for a new one?
 
You may want to make a copy - they will force you to turn it in or destroy it
 
I'm not sure of charge. The guy was actually remarkably helpful. I'm going to bring cash just in case. He called me back (3 days after I left my message), asked me for the tail number. Said "OH WOW! that probably was before we were the FAA" (or similar sentence) and asked for a copy/picture of it. Then he said if I could email it to him by (yesterday or today) he would come in wednesday morning and have it ready for me to pick up by 3 pm.

Remarkably friendly and helpful.
 
I don't remember if they charged me or not, if they did it was nominal, but I am pretty sure it was free. They actually delivered mine to the airport! :yes:
 
Caution.....! 1956 is when the game changed and in that year one had to get the airplane re certified. If you did not do this, technically the airplane was and is not airworthy. I went thru this with a 1953 cessna 195. It was a three month nightmare made right by an faa inspector who had owned one. He cut thru the b.s. Quickly and re certified it. I bought it from an airline pilot who flew it illegally. He kept the certificate in an envelope, not posted in the airplane as it should have been. I trusted him. ( unwise when buying an airplane) it can be serious if the faa rep. Is a drone. He can force you to take it back to factory standard.
 
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I believe mine has been done. It has the necessary line through the world expire, as required back then once it because permanently certified, and the pen and ink signature. The tail number also shows the issue date of an airworthiness certificate of 1956
 
Jimmy cooper said:
Caution.....! 1956 is when the game changed and in that year one had to get the airplane re certified. If you did not do this, technically the airplane was and is not airworthy. I went thru this with a 1953 cessna 195. It was a three month nightmare made right by an faa inspector who had owned one. He cut thru the b.s. Quickly and re certified it. I bought it from an airline pilot who flew it illegally. He kept the certificate in an envelope, not posted in the airplane as it should have been. I trusted him. ( unwise when buying an airplane) it can be serious if the faa rep. Is a drone. He can force you to take it back to factory standard.
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Did they threaten to have you water boarded as well? :rolleyes:
 
Jimmy cooper said:
Caution.....! 1956 is when the game changed and in that year one had to get the airplane re certified. If you did not do this, technically the airplane was and is not airworthy. I went thru this with a 1953 cessna 195. It was a three month nightmare made right by an faa inspector who had owned one. He cut thru the b.s. Quickly and re certified it. I bought it from an airline pilot who flew it illegally. He kept the certificate in an envelope, not posted in the airplane as it should have been. I trusted him. ( unwise when buying an airplane) it can be serious if the faa rep. Is a drone. He can force you to take it back to factory standard.
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No they can not, does the term " properly altered condition" ring a bell?
 
Tom always has a contrary view. This went on with a well known AI pal who was doing the first annual. It was thru his friendship with the FAA type ( who explained it carefully to me in the hangar) that the paperwork was approved. The AI was, WW2 pilot, embry riddle grad, aerobatic pilot along with being an very well known popular mechanic with many years experience. No different in private industry, drones are everywhere.
 
Update on this - Gonna chalk it up to being a bit new to aviation and miscommunication.

I was told to show up with the old airworthiness cert. So that's all I showed up with. The FSDO showed me it was all typed up and complete, but he wanted to see my log books first to show that my ELT had been tested and my airplane was airworthy. Due to conflicting schedules and my upcoming pre-checkflight meeting with my DPE on friday, he agreed to meet me at 5:30 am (when he shows up to work), at the FAA office and buzz me in before hours tomorrow.

Specifically he wants:
Latest annual showing AD's are complied with (check)
Logbook showing ELT test is in compliance (check)
Temporary registration (check)

After this I drove to the airport and picked up my logbook and sat down with the mechanic and dug through everything back to 2006, and he saw nothing that would be a hold up.

We did find, however, that my transponder test has been overlooked for awhile. I double checked with the FSDO (he gave me his personal cell), and he said that wouldnt be an issue and hold up the airworthiness cert since the airplane is still airworthy, just limited on which airspace I can fly into.

So now on Friday at 1230 I have a meeting with my DPE (he requests to meet student pilots about a week before the checkride to go over things), and while meeting with him the avionics shop next door is going to do the transponder test. Transponder should be fine. I've used it for flight following and they have seen correct altitude and squawks.
 
gitmo234 said:
Update on this - Gonna chalk it up to being a bit new to aviation and miscommunication.

I was told to show up with the old airworthiness cert. So that's all I showed up with. The FSDO showed me it was all typed up and complete, but he wanted to see my log books first to show that my ELT had been tested and my airplane was airworthy. Due to conflicting schedules and my upcoming pre-checkflight meeting with my DPE on friday, he agreed to meet me at 5:30 am (when he shows up to work), at the FAA office and buzz me in before hours tomorrow.

Specifically he wants:
Latest annual showing AD's are complied with (check)
Logbook showing ELT test is in compliance (check)
Temporary registration (check)

After this I drove to the airport and picked up my logbook and sat down with the mechanic and dug through everything back to 2006, and he saw nothing that would be a hold up.

We did find, however, that my transponder test has been overlooked for awhile. I double checked with the FSDO (he gave me his personal cell), and he said that wouldnt be an issue and hold up the airworthiness cert since the airplane is still airworthy, just limited on which airspace I can fly into.

So now on Friday at 1230 I have a meeting with my DPE (he requests to meet student pilots about a week before the checkride to go over things), and while meeting with him the avionics shop next door is going to do the transponder test. Transponder should be fine. I've used it for flight following and they have seen correct altitude and squawks.
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If you're gonna be at CXY, feel free to look me up and I'll give you the grand tour :yes:
 
Jimmy cooper said:
Tom always has a contrary view.
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I simply don't comment on topics I agree with. If the info is good why mess with it.

When I needed the AWC for 34V I simply call my PMI and requested a new one. 2 days later it arrived in the mail.

No inspection required.

Your FSDO is yanking ya.
 
gitmo234 said:
Update on this - Gonna chalk it up to being a bit new to aviation and miscommunication.

I was told to show up with the old airworthiness cert. So that's all I showed up with. The FSDO showed me it was all typed up and complete, but he wanted to see my log books first to show that my ELT had been tested and my airplane was airworthy. Due to conflicting schedules and my upcoming pre-checkflight meeting with my DPE on friday, he agreed to meet me at 5:30 am (when he shows up to work), at the FAA office and buzz me in before hours tomorrow.

Specifically he wants:
Latest annual showing AD's are complied with (check)
Logbook showing ELT test is in compliance (check)
Temporary registration (check)

After this I drove to the airport and picked up my logbook and sat down with the mechanic and dug through everything back to 2006, and he saw nothing that would be a hold up.

We did find, however, that my transponder test has been overlooked for awhile. I double checked with the FSDO (he gave me his personal cell), and he said that wouldnt be an issue and hold up the airworthiness cert since the airplane is still airworthy, just limited on which airspace I can fly into.

So now on Friday at 1230 I have a meeting with my DPE (he requests to meet student pilots about a week before the checkride to go over things), and while meeting with him the avionics shop next door is going to do the transponder test. Transponder should be fine. I've used it for flight following and they have seen correct altitude and squawks.
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Wow! This sounds like sticking your head into the mouth of a lion. I'll pass.
 
In the last year we have found planes that were re painted and N numbers changed but not the airworthiness. One was 8 years old. We sent the owners to the FSDO with nothing else then the old airworthiness and they came back with new ones.
 
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Marauder said:
Wow! This sounds like sticking your head into the mouth of a lion. I'll pass.
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The FAA has adopted the policy that any aircraft that FAA employee is going to ride in will be inspected by the Airworthiness folks, for proper documentation and airworthiness. Here the PMI for the A&P-IA will inspect it as an audit for the A&P-IA.
 
Marauder said:
Wow! This sounds like sticking your head into the mouth of a lion. I'll pass.
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Yea, maybe they will grab him and send him to Gitmo! :yikes: :rofl:

Luvrv8 said:
In the last year we have found planes that were re painted and N numbers changed but not the airworthiness. One was 8 years old. We sent the owners to the FSDO with nothing else then the old airworthiness and they cam back with new ones.
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Correct, it's a fairly painless process.
 
I'll stop by CXY sometime just for the tour.

I'm reluctantly optimistic. He basically just said that before they can give them out they are supposed to ensure the airplane is airworthy and for him to feel comfortable he'd like to see that its within annual, the ELT has been checked, and I have the temp registration. Not sure if that would be considered an "inspection".

So far I'm keeping the confidence. He told me I could bring a scan of the entries or the logbook, or he didnt care if it was written on toilet paper (his exact words), as long as it was a valid annual, etc.

He's meeting me at 530 AM because he has an accident (or incident - phone was fuzzy) to go to early in the morning and he's in a rush. Either that or he'll meet me at noon, but I work down south.


Meeting with the DPE is in regards to my checkride and entirely separate from this. I'm still a student pilot and taking my check ride in about a week. The DPE my CFI uses wants all students to meet in person with him about a week prior to go over the events of the oral and checkride and get comfortable with the DPE. So I'm parking the bird at the avionics shop for a transponder check, while my CFI and I sit with the DPE and prep for my check.
 
After about a 30 second look at the most current annual and ELT, I am the proud owner of a new air worthiness certificate.
 
Marauder said:
Wow! This sounds like sticking your head into the mouth of a lion. I'll pass.
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Not really. They are usually pretty reasonable people.

I have:

#1 Flown an FAA Inspector around in a Cessna 152. (On a medical flight eval for SODA)

#2 The airplane used to performed #1 had been wrecked (and totaled by insurance) about 10 years prior to said flight.

#3 There were five airworthiness inspectors that not only wanted to inspect the records but also give the airplane their own pre-flight. (It was blistering cold that day but all five of them left the office to go up the ramp and do their thing).

#4 After said flight, the ops inspector disclosed he just sold the airplane to the lessor about three months prior.

It really was a fun day :yes:
 
Yeah it really want bad. He let me keep the original for sentimental value as well
 
Interestingly enough he said it was unusual, but he looked it up and my bird is both normal and utility category. He kinda made it a big deal. I cant remember if the S models I used to fly were the same.

Meeting basically went like this:

I show up, carry in log books and let him know im here
He comes out, I open to the tabbed page for the last annual.
He says "Who did this annual, this write up is really good? Ahh I see your ELT is good until 2016"
He flips through about 4 pages (without reading), just to see if they have been written on (I assume he wants to see a trail of maintenance and inspections).
He says "You're all set, here you go"
I ask if I can keep the original and he says "ehhh well...I shouldnt really but .... ahh go ahead. Its still perfectly legal but definitely not recommended to fly with that one. If something happens there will be eyebrows raised over it, but if you're just going to frame it or something, sure, keep it"
He signs the new one, hands it to me
I drive away.
 
Tom-D said:
I simply don't comment on topics I agree with. If the info is good why mess with it.
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Don't you know you're supposed to just read the first half of the first post on a three-page thread and then throw in your two cents about the way the world works?:rofl:
 
Lindberg said:
Don't you know you're supposed to just read the first half of the first post on a three-page thread and then throw in your two cents about the way the world works?:rofl:
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Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
 
RotorAndWing said:
You should consider reporting him to the FSDO! :rolleyes:
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talk about circular logic....:yikes::hairraise::yikes:

FWIW....FSDOs will do some arm twisting in getting you to replace the older airworthiness certificates for the newer ones, but, it is "not" a mandatory thingy. :no:

FAA Order 8130.2G....:rolleyes:
 
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If you own an aircraft built before 1956 and that aircraft did not, for some reason, get its airworthiness certificate recertified in 1956 you'd be wise to consult a local AI or the nearby FAA office and check on this. Insurance company's are always looking for a reason not to pay even a legitimate claim, and your probably flying an aircraft that is FAA illegal. Mine was. This was in the 1980s so the rules could have been amended. Don't trust the Internet. Find out for yourself.
 
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