No certainty there -- it depends on the situation. If the Inspector thinks it was inadvertent/not deliberate, and you have a constructive attitude, you may avoid having anything on your record at all. OTOH, if you cop an attitude, or are uncooperative, or it's clear to the inspector that you knew what you were doing but did it anyway, you could see certificate action even on the first offense. To a great extent, it's Inspector's discretion how far to press it, so it behooves you to impress the Inspector as being polite, cooperative, and interested in making your flying safer.
Lots of factors there. If the airspace you busted was the DC SFRA, they have the tools to track/backtrack you so you will be found. That ability varies with the location, and their motivation can vary based on exactly what happened.
There are a lot of different ways to do that, and in these administrative cases, they need only prove it "more likely than not" that you were the pilot, not "beyond reasonable doubt" like in a criminal case. So, if it's a privately-owned airplane, they'll start by assuming the registered owner was flying it, and go from there. Even if you have a Delaware corporation on the paperwork, they can track down the real owner(s) pretty easily. If the owner claims someone else was flying it, the owner will be on the hook to say exactly who. If they owner declines to name the name, the FAA will assume the owner is lying, and the ALJ will probably buy the FAA's assumption as being "more likely than not" true. In a similar vein, if the airplane is owned by a club or FBO, the management will be asked who was flying the plane, and no club or FBO will go to the mat over this -- too much difficulty for the club/FBO if they get on the FSDO's bad side.
Uh, yea, then there is that.
I had one who steadfastly refused to cooperate (loss of separation in class C airspace).
He hung up on me, refused to return calls. I sent him a letter and told him he was now to show up and do a 44709 ride for his instrument rating.
Amazing how all of the sudden he became cooperative.......
Btw, what do you do?
Wow, what a jerk. The pilot, not you.
...and then you kinda feel like.....it's POA at work!
What? I said "yeah, right, Ray, don't call."
There is one *strange* thing I never really had an answer for from my PP and IR training. My CFII was an old crusty guy who was a retired controller, had worked his entire career as a controller, and in fact had retired from the class C where we were training.
When discussing pilot deviations, he told me to be very nice, copy the number, and then don't call.
And he replied "seriously, don't call." I asked why, and he said again "just don't call."
I *never* understood this and never received a decent answer from him. Everything else he taught was good, everything matched with what I learned from the King videos, Gleim, Jeppeson, FARs, AIM, etc., and he was well respected in the area and by the DPE.
One of life's great mysteries, I guess. R&W or any of our controllers, do you have *any* idea why he'd advise this?
I know what I'd to.
No. First, you do not avoid the violation being on your record with the ASRS waiver of sanction -- only the sanction (i.e., certificate suspension/revocation) is waived. Second, there are several criteria which must be met in order to obtain waiver of sanction:
There is one *strange* thing I never really had an answer for from my PP and IR training. My CFII was an old crusty guy who was a retired controller, had worked his entire career as a controller, and in fact had retired from the class C where we were training.
When discussing pilot deviations, he told me to be very nice, copy the number, and then don't call.
And he replied "seriously, don't call." I asked why, and he said again "just don't call."
I *never* understood this and never received a decent answer from him. Everything else he taught was good, everything matched with what I learned from the King videos, Gleim, Jeppeson, FARs, AIM, etc., and he was well respected in the area and by the DPE.
One of life's great mysteries, I guess. R&W or any of our controllers, do you have *any* idea why he'd advise this?
I know what I'd to.
