Airline pilots are one of the happiest :)

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Where do American happiest people work?
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10. Airline pilots and navigators
Job Description: Airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers pilot and navigate the flight of multi-engine aircraft in regularly scheduled service for transport of passengers and cargo.
Very happy: 49.1%
Median hourly rate (airline pilots, copilots, or flight engineers): $63

http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/career-art...oA0JpekRldiAvIFBhcnRuZXIEdG1fbG5rA1UxMTAxNzAx
 
sdflyer said:
Where do American happiest people work?
:yesnod:


10. Airline pilots and navigators
Job Description: Airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers pilot and navigate the flight of multi-engine aircraft in regularly scheduled service for transport of passengers and cargo.
Very happy: 49.1%
Median hourly rate (airline pilots, copilots, or flight engineers): $63

http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/career-art...oA0JpekRldiAvIFBhcnRuZXIEdG1fbG5rA1UxMTAxNzAx
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And when was the last time an airliner had a dedicated navigator on board? :D Or a flight engineer? (there are a few still out there, I guess). The job description for the pilot just keeps getting longer, and then they cut your pay? You're already doing the job of three as it is. :yes:
 
Ghery said:
And when was the last time an airliner had a dedicated navigator on board? :D
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That wasn't mentioned anywhere, but it has been a long time. Not sure any domestic passenger airlines have Flight Engineers anymore.


[EDIT] Read the WHOLE post. There ARE no navigators anymore.
 
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Ghery said:
And when was the last time an airliner had a dedicated navigator on board? :D Or a flight engineer? (there are a few still out there, I guess). The job description for the pilot just keeps getting longer, and then they cut your pay? You're already doing the job of three as it is. :yes:
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Hey I'm a pilot, navigator and flight engineer at the same time! Do you have problem with that ? :D

Seriously I think this study stretches back in to the time :) Or may be few navigators and flight engineers are still happy top have a job :cheerswine:
 
Ghery said:
And when was the last time an airliner had a dedicated navigator on board? :D Or a flight engineer? (there are a few still out there, I guess). The job description for the pilot just keeps getting longer, and then they cut your pay? You're already doing the job of three as it is. :yes:
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Well, to be fair...you're doing, by yourself, what it took three people to do 30 years ago with 1970's technology. I don't think you can compare the two environments and draw any type of conclusion regarding job duties.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
That wasn't mentioned anywhere, but it has been a long time. Not sure any domestic passenger airlines have Flight Engineers anymore.
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Wouldn't anyone still flying the 727 have one? I don't know if any domestic passenger airlines fly them, but I know (is it recently defunct?) Champion Air (which I think was a charter operation) from Minneapolis flew them, and I imagine a few freight companies like DHL.
 
How long ago was this survey done? Look at #3.
3. Transportation, ticket, and reservation agents such as travel agents
Job Description: Travel agents plan and sell transportation and accommodations for travel agency customers.
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I remember when people wanted to be travel agents so that they could get some free trips as perks. Somehow I doubt that it's wonderful to be a travel agent these days. And a reservation agent? Hah!
 
nddons said:
Wouldn't anyone still flying the 727 have one? I don't know if any domestic passenger airlines fly them, but I know (is it recently defunct?) Champion Air (which I think was a charter operation) from Minneapolis flew them, and I imagine a few freight companies like DHL.
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Well, yes, Stan. I DID say PASSENGER airlines. :D
 
FlyNE said:
Well, to be fair...you're doing, by yourself, what it took three people to do 30 years ago with 1970's technology.
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Thing is, navigators were not necessary on domestic flights. It is only when you get out over a LOT of water, or VERY SPARSELY populated areas that a navigator was necessary.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Thing is, navigators were not necessary on domestic flights. It is only when you get out over a LOT of water, or VERY SPARSELY populated areas that a navigator was necessary.
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How many pilot/navigators anymore know how to use a Sextant, the almanac and H.O. 249 to work a sun sight or three star sight reduction and running fix anyway. We won't even get into lunar fixes.
 
Henning said:
How many pilot/navigators anymore know how to use a Sextant, the almanac and H.O. 249 to work a sun sight or three star sight reduction and running fix anyway. We won't even get into lunar fixes.
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I would like to learn. :yes: But with modern nav systems, that form of navigation is obsolete to the extent that it is extinct. :D
 
The USAF doesn't even teach celesitial navigation any more. Lots of aircraft that have a sextant port use it as a place to put an antena. We use it for our SAT phone.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
I would like to learn. :yes: But with modern nav systems, that form of navigation is obsolete to the extent that it is extinct. :D
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It's actually not. You can get a low cost accurate plastic sextant From Davis, the good one is only about $125, and the almanac and H.O. 249 (Air Navigation Reduction Tables) as well as sight reduction work sheets are still available from any nautical bookstore. Working 249 is pretty easy to learn especially with premade sight reduction worksheets. When I did my Oceans rating for the USCG, we had to use H.O.219 (a bit more accurate, but is three volumes of tables rather than one) and create our own sight reduction sheets. There are also programmed calculators for celestial nav, but we were not allowed those either. The real problem now in an aviation context is that aircraft are no longer equipped with a "navigators bubble" in the roof to take your sights.
 
Henning said:
How many pilot/navigators anymore know how to use a Sextant, the almanac and H.O. 249 to work a sun sight or three star sight reduction and running fix anyway. We won't even get into lunar fixes.
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I could do that 39 years ago...... before the four-function electronic calculator so there were a lot of errors! That's why we had three JOs and the Navigator all crunching the numbers.....

-Skip
 
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Skip Miller said:
I could do that 39 years ago...... before the four-function electronic calculator so there were a lot of errors! That's why we had three JOs and the Navigator all crunching the numbers.....

-Skip
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I'd figure on long flights like that, everyone was a JO..:rolleyes2:
 
AWACSEng said:
The USAF doesn't even teach celesitial navigation any more. Lots of aircraft that have a sextant port use it as a place to put an antena. We use it for our SAT phone.
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They used (or could use) celestial navigation on the SR-71. I think it was partly automated.
 
Most heavies in the inventory still have the capability, but the operators do not. I played around with a sextant when I worked on B-52's. If you ran it all the way down to the horizon, you could see clear to the other side of the base.
 
This whole study is a joke. look at number 3
3. Transportation, ticket, and reservation agents such as travel agents
Job Description: Travel agents plan and sell transportation and accommodations for travel agency customers.
Very happy: 56.5%
Median hourly rate (travel agents): $14.23
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Online booking and the airlines pulling fees for bookings have made this a really tough job, many companies are gone now and the ones that have survived are under enormousness pressure to survive. The travel agents were the real canary in a coal mine for how much trouble the airlines were about to get themselves into.
 
smigaldi said:
This whole study is a joke. look at number 3
Online booking and the airlines pulling fees for bookings have made this a really tough job, many companies are gone now and the ones that have survived are under enormousness pressure to survive. The travel agents were the real canary in a coal mine for how much trouble the airlines were about to get themselves into.
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Ditto for number 5. Special Education is where the schools put the kids who will not or cannot function in a normal setting. When I taught, it was the place for the worst of the junkies and misfits. And the most dangerous classrooms.
5. Special education teachers
Job Description: Teach school subjects to educationally and physically handicapped students.
Very happy: 52.6%
Median salary (preschool, kindergarten or elementary school): $41,344
Median salary (secondary school): $43,060
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Champion Air is recently defunct. However, they were smart enough to cease their operations before they went bankrupt so they could give their employees a severance and pay off their creditors. They flew 727's as charters, mostly for the NBA. We had several of them visit HOU during the basketball season.

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t0r0nad0 said:
Champion Air is recently defunct. However, they were smart enough to cease their operations before they went bankrupt so they could give their employees a severance and pay off their creditors. They flew 727's as charters, mostly for the NBA. We had several of them visit HOU during the basketball season.

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Amazing, really, that you should be surprised to cite a company whose management recognized the end of their viability as a business, before they went broke, and acted responsibly. But that is how things are now, isn't it?

I flew with Champion Air (whose airline code was "MG," as they were the same carrier that started life as MGM Grand Air, if you can believe it) from DFW to Cancun a number of times, and also to Vegas once. Useless trivia: I flew with them in the last 727 built. Their planes were slightly roomier than sardine cans, but the service was adequate, especially for the incomprehensibly cheap price.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
That wasn't mentioned anywhere, but it has been a long time. Not sure any domestic passenger airlines have Flight Engineers anymore.


[EDIT] Read the WHOLE post. There ARE no navigators anymore.
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Mentioned right in the title of the job description. And that was my point - there haven't been any in a loooong time.
 
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