Air Wagner..... He’s baaaaackk.

It’s been a number of days on this new one. I’ve been patiently waiting for the Jerry apologists to show up in the thread again.

Funny that they haven’t yet. LOL.

(After a few videos they get awfully quiet. Haha. It’s okay we all have gone thru that process...)
 
Was it me or was the pilot using a vfr sectional on his ForeFlight? I wouldn’t think that’s very normal for flying in imc.


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Peter Anderson said:
Was it me or was the pilot using a vfr sectional on his ForeFlight? I wouldn’t think that’s very normal for flying in imc.

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Lots of pilots do that because Foreflight had a base aeronautical map that has all the airways, fixes, VORs, etc that you can lay the sectional over.
 
Is impersonating a CFII some sort of violation ? I didn’t see anything horrifyingly dangerous. And at least he said his special talent was showing what not to do.
 
Peter Anderson said:
Was it me or was the pilot using a vfr sectional on his ForeFlight? I wouldn’t think that’s very normal for flying in imc.
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Sectional on the EFB is my normal setup. Better situational awareness. Tells me about the terrain I am crossing, cities and towns around me, parks and lakes... I switch to the enroute chart for its more decluttered presentation when I feel I need it, such as a routing change in an unfamiliar area, but it's the Sectional most of the time by a large percentage.

To me, it's actually one of the things I liked most about EFBs when I first began using one (10th anniversary this month) - how easy it is to switch from one presentation to another.
 
PeterNSteinmetz said:
Is impersonating a CFII some sort of violation ? I didn’t see anything horrifyingly dangerous. And at least he said his special talent was showing what not to do.
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I still don't understand why people like @SixPapaCharlie get a microscope shoved up their ass yet guys like Jerry get a pass.
 
What about on a checkride? Would it be appropriate to use a sectional as a base map? There is a good argument to do so, made by Jeff Van West.
 
LesGawlik said:
What about on a checkride? Would it be appropriate to use a sectional as a base map? There is a good argument to do so, made by Jeff Van West.
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What would prohibit it? As long as you’ve got the necessary information otherwise, what does it matter what the overlay is?
 
LesGawlik said:
What about on a checkride? Would it be appropriate to use a sectional as a base map? There is a good argument to do so, made by Jeff Van West.
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Use whatever you're comfortable with. Switch to whichever is needed when necessary.
 
Peter Anderson said:
Was it me or was the pilot using a vfr sectional on his ForeFlight? I wouldn’t think that’s very normal for flying in imc.
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For planning, no. For flying, I rarely switch off the sectional, even when I'm in the flight levels. What do the enroute charts tell you that you didn't already learn in the planning process and need to know during flight?

Back in the days of flying on airways, I'd use the enroute chart a lot more. Now, it's really only to ensure that when I'm on a direct leg I'm above the MOCA. The sectional tells me a lot more useful stuff during flight.

midlifeflyer said:
Sectional on the EFB is my normal setup. Better situational awareness. Tells me about the terrain I am crossing, cities and towns around me, parks and lakes...
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Yup. And when I'm in an unfamiliar area, it helps me find the airport so I can get the visual instead of needing to fly an approach (VMC, of course).
 
I like the Aeronautical view in FF...it keeps the print legible if you are flying track up when you are traveling South..otherwise, the charts will be upside down.
 
LesGawlik said:
What about on a checkride? Would it be appropriate to use a sectional as a base map? There is a good argument to do so, made by Jeff Van West.
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I doubt it make any difference but I would expect the examiner to ask you why and be satisfied you know how to use both.
"It has been about 20 minutes since you last heard anything from a ATC. So you call them. No answer. You are in an unfamiliar area. What will you do?"​
Plenty of different good answers to this one but one I like is switching from the sectional to the low enroute and calling the nearest center to you (and yes, if you are using Foreflight's Aeronautical overlay, it's there too). What is it? Two taps?
 
Peter Anderson said:
Was it me or was the pilot using a vfr sectional on his ForeFlight? I wouldn’t think that’s very normal for flying in imc.


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Most people already mentioned it but I'll echo it. Even at work when I'm IFR 75% of the time I have the VFR sectional on my iPad. I will overlay my approach charts to the sectional too, really can help find the airport and get familiar with the lay of the land. A lot of my coworkers never look at the sectional but it's honestly a good way to find the airport, towers, parachute ops etc.
 
I think most folks I know prefer using the VFR chart for situational awareness. Still though, don't let it get in the way of attacking Jerry (who actually does switch charts) some more.
 
I like VFR charts, but I have been surprised before by getting a waypoint I wasn't expecting that would have been on the ifr low altitude chart.
 
PaulS said:
I like VFR charts, but I have been surprised before by getting a waypoint I wasn't expecting that would have been on the ifr low altitude chart.
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Even more fun is getting a waypoint you weren’t expecting and can’t find on any chart. Haha.

“Spell that one phonetically, please.”

LOL.
 
PaulS said:
I like VFR charts, but I have been surprised before by getting a waypoint I wasn't expecting that would have been on the ifr low altitude chart.
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I don't really ever have to look up a fix on a chart. Either I already know it, or I need them to spell it phonetically anyway and I wouldn't be finding it by looking on an en route chart.

I'd say it's much more frequent, when I get cleared to a fix I didn't file and the controller doesn't offer up the spelling right away, that it's an IAF or IF for an approach I'm going to fly at the destination, and it may or may not be on the en route chart anyway.
 
N1120A said:
The time I do find the IFR chart most useful is if they give me a vector to an airway. In Southern California, that happens a lot. If it is an airway I didn't have in my flight plan, I know where to load from.
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Yep. Go an amended clearance this weekend that included a Victor airway. Having the low altitude chart up made it easy to see that there was two fixes (or radials dialed in) that needed to be input in order to stay on the airway. That would have been tough on a sectional. VFR = sectional and IFR = low en route for that reason among others
 
EdFred said:
Go an amended clearance this weekend that included a Victor airway.
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exact same thing happened to me, too. Coming back from Cape May, ended up getting a looooong routing over BWI and west of Dulles... I have the venerable 430w, so no way to input airways directly. Basically got v268... which takes a bend between ENO and BAL. For users of antique avionics, knowing the fixes that make up an airway are essential...

Now, I just need to work out this cramp in my hand from turning the knob on the 430 so many times....
 
When flying across the state VFR my wife has the Sectional in her lap (she likes to see where we are) and I keep a Low Altitude Enroute chart in mine. Even VFR I'm flying the V airways and the instrument chart makes that easy. Occasionally I'll ask her where she thinks we are and she'll put her finger on the chart. GPS couldn't do a better job.
 
Ghery said:
my wife has the Sectional in her lap
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NOw that my wife is flying with me, I think this is the next step. On our flight Sunday she was really interested in what I was doing in terms of buttonology, radios, GPS... I think she is going to be a good copilot. She is really smart (much smarter than I am) and picks technical things up quickly. I wish she would go get at least her private... for now, navigator is maybe all I can hope for. Plus would give her another thing to do on longer XCs.
 
Deelee said:
exact same thing happened to me, too. Coming back from Cape May, ended up getting a looooong routing over BWI and west of Dulles... I have the venerable 430w, so no way to input airways directly. Basically got v268... which takes a bend between ENO and BAL. For users of antique avionics, knowing the fixes that make up an airway are essential...

Now, I just need to work out this cramp in my hand from turning the knob on the 430 so many times....
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you sir need a flight stream for that 430. It’s a game changer!
 
Deelee said:
exact same thing happened to me, too. Coming back from Cape May, ended up getting a looooong routing over BWI and west of Dulles... I have the venerable 430w, so no way to input airways directly. Basically got v268... which takes a bend between ENO and BAL. For users of antique avionics, knowing the fixes that make up an airway are essential...

Now, I just need to work out this cramp in my hand from turning the knob on the 430 so many times....
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That inner/outer knob BS makes me miss an FMS.
 
Tarheelpilot said:
That inner/outer knob BS makes me miss an FMS.
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Some sort of keyboard-like device would come in handy................. FS210 maybe.. but I'm pretty good at spinning knobs and when this thing craps out we will end up with a device that has bluetooth I'm sure anyway
 
EdFred said:
Only if you like walled gardens, which I don't.
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I have a FS, and I think it's fantastic. I know what a walled garden is, but I don't understand in this context.
 
LesGawlik said:
I have a FS, and I think it's fantastic. I know what a walled garden is, but I don't understand in this context.
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Garmin only allows you to use FF or GP. Says everyone else can go **** themselves. Which is why I'm going non Garmin going forward.
 
EdFred said:
Yep. Go an amended clearance this weekend that included a Victor airway. Having the low altitude chart up made it easy to see that there was two fixes (or radials dialed in) that needed to be input in order to stay on the airway. That would have been tough on a sectional. VFR = sectional and IFR = low en route for that reason among others
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Yeah, it is the one way the IFR chart really can help with situational awareness. Otherwise, the VFR chart is ultimately better for situational awareness and is what the VFR guy who bought 34Q is used to using. Everyone's favorite unjustified punching bag, Jerry, actually makes a point of switching to the IFR chart when he's flying IFR, even though he really doesn't need to on his iPad.

EdFred said:
Only if you like walled gardens, which I don't.
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I like superior products. It is why I own Android phones and Garmin avionics.

Tarheelpilot said:
That inner/outer knob BS makes me miss an FMS.
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Try a 650 instead. Beats the **** out of an FMS or a 430.

EdFred said:
Garmin only allows you to use FF or GP. Says everyone else can go **** themselves. Which is why I'm going non Garmin going forward.
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What do you mean Garmin only allows FF or GP? Guess what? Non-Garmin equipment is LESS useful.
 
MooneyDriver78 said:
and FltPlan Go which is free. They’re really teaching us a lesson.
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When did that change/get allowed?

Because when I had to go to ADSB they said too bad, only Foreflight paid us bribe money so far. So I went th L3 route because it works with your choice. You can even grab the raw data if you wanted to roll your own. Garmin won't.

Looks like you still have have an iCrap device according to their website (unless you use the **** version of GP)
 
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N1120A said:
Yeah, it is the one way the IFR chart really can help with situational awareness. Otherwise, the VFR chart is ultimately better for situational awareness and is what the VFR guy who bought 34Q is used to using. Everyone's favorite unjustified punching bag, Jerry, actually makes a point of switching to the IFR chart when he's flying IFR, even though he really doesn't need to on his iPad.



I like superior products. It is why I own Android phones and Garmin avionics.



Try a 650 instead. Beats the **** out of an FMS or a 430.



What do you mean Garmin only allows FF or GP? Guess what? Non-Garmin equipment is LESS useful.
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Which FMS systems are you comparing to the 650?
 
EdFred said:
When did that change/get allowed?
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Maybe when Garmin bought FltPlan?
Because when I had to go to ADSB they said too bad, only Foreflight paid us bribe money so far. So I went th L3 route because it works with your choice. You can even grab the raw data if you wanted to roll your own. Garmin won't.

Looks like you still have have an iCrap device according to their website (unless you use the **** version of GP)
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Where did you see that it's only iOS? Here are the FltPlan Go! Android instructions.
https://flttrack.fltplan.com/FltPlanInfo/Garmin_FltPlan_HOW-TO_Android.pdf
 
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