Air Safety Institute video drama

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Curious to get your take on this.

They put out this video. The comments are full of very angry people.
It looks like DG did a video discussing this particular video so I am not sure if those are his subscribers or if people's natural reaction to the ASI video.

For those that don't want to watch a youtube video, they are practicing engine out turnbacks (impossible turn) at 300 - 1000 ft AGL. Scroll down to the comments.

Is the video that bad? Is it irresponsible of them to do this and foolish to document it? (paraphrasing the comment section in the video)

Sort comments by newest first to get the really mad folks.

 
I thought it was a very good discussion and an eye-opening demonstration.

Commenters are, well, commenters.
 
Didn't read comments because I just looked at it here instead of on Youtube. Thing that caught my attention is their confidence in if it wasn't working out, that when they pushed the throttle in to save it, that they would always get power. Deliberately putting yourself in that position wasn't sitting well with me. It runs counter to my thinking. Anytime I have to add power on final to keep from coming up short, I have a rather stern debriefing with myself about how did I get in that situation. As far as was it irresponsible to put this out here for anyone to see, I dunno. I wasn't lured into trying it even though they all are in positions that command some level of respect. But I think an argument can be made that maybe it could be 'enticing' to maybe lead someone who shouldn't be trying it, to try it.
 
luvflyin said:
Anytime I have to add power on final to keep from coming up short, I have a rather stern debriefing with myself about how did I get in that situation.
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So you don't subscribe to the partial power approach that the FAA has been advocating for a very long time?
 
Not irresponsible to put it out there. S*** is going to happen, much better to have the discussion beforehand rather than in the post-Mortem. Even if the video is wrong, it Spurs discussion of the issues and that, IMHO, is a good thing.
 
Bill said:
So you don't subscribe to the partial power approach that the FAA has been advocating for a very long time?
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Haven't heard of that, ya got a link to it. Anyway, what I said was having to 'add' power. I wasn't talking about doing every approach as a power off 180. I often don't pull the throttle all the way back until a somewhat short final.
 
luvflyin said:
Haven't heard of that, ya got a link to it. Anyway, what I said was having to 'add' power. I wasn't talking about doing every approach as a power off 180. I often don't pull the throttle all the way back until a somewhat short final.
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OK, by saying you had to add power I thought you were always doing power off 180 patterns.
 
I think the video is fine. I really like their application of theory; making it a proper test.

If I was them, perhaps I would have stopped short of making it sound like a conclusion. Also, too much emphasis on runway vs airport environment. I always saw the 180 as a way to get back to the airport environment, making a runway is just a bonus. If I lose an engine, I’m looking for flat space. Don’t really care where it is.

The internet gives people the allowance to say whatever dumb crap they want (myself included).
 
OneCharlieTango said:
What does DG say? I don't want to give him another click to find out.
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He attacks mcspadden, including his record in the military. Blames him for the thunderbird crash (because I guess it's his job to set all the altimeters). Apparently he sent a letter threatening to report him to the fsdo for encouraging reckless flying in the video. He's an attention whore.

I'm guessing all the negative comments are gryder fanboys. The asi video was pretty well received when it came out, and like all the asi videos, very well done in my opinion.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
Curious to get your take on this.

They put out this video. The comments are full of very angry people.
It looks like DG did a video discussing this particular video so I am not sure if those are his subscribers or if people's natural reaction to the ASI video.

For those that don't want to watch a youtube video, they are practicing engine out turnbacks (impossible turn) at 300 - 1000 ft AGL. Scroll down to the comments.

Is the video that bad? Is it irresponsible of them to do this and foolish to document it? (paraphrasing the comment section in the video)

Sort comments by newest first to get the really mad folks.

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I thought it was a very educational video. They were very clear in telling viewers not to try this at home. We don't know about all the precautions they took in shooting the video, but that was not the point. The point was to demonstrate how different airplanes handle the turn back scenario so differently.

The criticism I've heard is that it tells pilots that it is possible to make the turn back in some cases. But it is not up to AOPA to withhold results of an experiment just because it may steer some people in the wrong direction. The decision to turn back or not is for pilots to make on their own, armed with real information and proper training. The critics are upset because they don't feel pilots are mature enough to handle the information.
 
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I think the conclusion and guess on the engine thrust are wrong. There are plenty of posts of the descent rate in a 172 with a windmilling prop versus a stopped one.
The planes that made the turn back had slow stall speeds, the faster the stall speed the greater the effect of drag by the prop will play.
You can find zero thrust settings in a lot of twins. For almost every SEL you can find a twin with somewhat close engine / prop combinations if you are really curious how much drag that prop adds. For the big engine ,/ prop on the Bonanza, it is likely close to what I had in the Aerostar. That means close to 25% power.

Tim

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I loved the video. But I will admit my first reaction to a 45 degree turn 300 feet above the runway with the stall horn blaring was similar to DGs. It’s a maneuver that I just wouldn’t try.


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Speaking of things not to be proud of, there’s Dan’s reported experiences with airlines and with the FAA.

Who is this guy that we should listen to him?

More to the point, who is this guy compared to Richard McSpadden?
 
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