Air rage...again.

hindsight2020 said:
...An increasingly unrealistic expectation on a slimline coach narrowbody cabin. This isn't about the customer's socioeconomic status, it's basic sociology.
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I don't know if small cabins are the only problem. The Concorde's seats were even smaller than an American Airlines A320 economy seat is today (yet it was considered to be above first class) and I don't know of any widespread disorderly conduct that happened on the Concorde...
 
mscard88 said:
Why the airlines don't go ahead with prosecution is beyond me. Image of the airline I suppose, but this crap is getting out of control.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...es-soar/ar-BBxHPFm?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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This kind of thing I think ties into what I call the A.E.S. The "American Entitlement Syndrome" does this happen with Europeans Ect... yes. I'm guessing far less. I saw a guy screaming at the receptionist at a hotel because they ran out of chairs in the lobby, the lobby was packed because of the ice storms a few years back.Know what he kept yelling? I'm a F'ing AMERICAN!! I would have given him my seat, but i too was standing...
 
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deonb said:
I don't know if small cabins are the only problem. The Concorde's seats were even smaller than an American Airlines A320 economy seat is today (yet it was considered to be above first class) and I don't know of any widespread disorderly conduct that happened on the Concorde...
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First class service in a coach seat!!
 
James331 said:
Agree with the article, but lower fairs also cause these issues.

It's like most violence you see, it's most always in bigger cities where people are jam packed and normally occurs with chronically poor folks.

Jam pack people into a plane, make the fairs so cheap even people in the ghetto can afford them, well there you go.

Look at the demographics of pax and "luxury" of the experience back on the pan am day, heck even look back to who and how people flew in the 90s.

But as long as folks just want cheap, they'll get it, cheap air fair, cheap seats and cheap pax, I've just paid the few more bucks and flew Virginia or Alaska.
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It is literally impossible for me to agree any more, my dad has been taking planes home for 38 years, and he's told me in the last 5 it's gotten so much worse. You are absolutely right.
 
GRG55 said:
Gen X, over indulged by their Boomer parents, who taught them they were still special even if they have no manners or social skills.
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This too, so much truth to such a short post.
 
What really stresses me out about commercial flight -and the lack of personal space makes this worse- is the loss of control. In everyday life I can sit/stand as I please, walk where I please, eat/drink as I please, use my devices as I please, etc. I can also at any time pull over, walk out the door, etc.

True, we are constrained in every day life by rules at work, traffic laws, and so forth but you have lots of room to maneuver within all that. This may sound extreme but I feel like every time I fly commercial I am giving up some of my free individualistic humanity. I maintain calm, I avoid inconveniencing others, or in other words I suck it up and act like a responsible adult. But that doesn't mean that stress isn't there.....eating away at me internally.

Throw some more personal issues on a person who may not have great self control to begin with and I can see how it happens. Crowd people in like cattle, take away their comforts, throw in some stress and this is what you get.
 
deonb said:
I don't know if small cabins are the only problem. The Concorde's seats were even smaller than an American Airlines A320 economy seat is today (yet it was considered to be above first class) and I don't know of any widespread disorderly conduct that happened on the Concorde...
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Concorde wasn't that big to begin with though was it? It's been my experience that small groups of people bond.... at least to the level of being polite. Crowds are a free for all....
 
cowman said:
Concorde wasn't that big to begin with though was it? It's been my experience that small groups of people bond.... at least to the level of being polite. Crowds are a free for all....
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It did seat 128 people - wasn't that small.
 
This is what happy when you coddle your kids. A good paddling goes a long way.
 
Acrodustertoo said:
This is what happy when you coddle your kids. A good paddling goes a long way.
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Or just teaching them and respect and honor and socializing them, having them around adults, etc

My friend and I never had to be beaten, we knew what was right and what was wrong, knew what the social norms were, it's not rocket surgery.
 
I think we need a safe space and a time out space on these airliners.
 
James331 said:
Or just teaching them and respect and honor and socializing them, having them around adults, etc

My friend and I never had to be beaten, we knew what was right and what was wrong, knew what the social norms were, it's not rocket surgery.
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Just because it worked for you doesn't mean that they grew up with that kind of structure. These idiots throwing hissy fits on airliners most likely didn't have a parent or parents who gave a cramp and wanted their kids to be their best friends, or had them drinking Mountain Dew from a baby bottle when they were 18 months. Who knows but for some reason they have no respect for anyone but themselves, I see it every day at work and it is getting worse every day. These little snowflakes only have one care in the world and that is they only heard the first part of what JFK said "ask what your country can do for you, you are special and deserve everything for doing nothing, sit down and play on Facebook all day and Uncle Sam will keep you in your nice cuddly bubble"
 
Got on a Southwest flight a while back… I got the emergency exit row and sitting across from me was a gentleman wearing a 45th Infantry reunion cap… By his age I would say he spent some time in either Italy, France, or Germany and I don’t think he was there on a Trafalagar Tour

Anyway… this kid comes and sits in the seat in front of the old guy… when the flight attendant comes by to do the “are you willing and able” check the hipster has the gall to tell the flight attendant that he doesn’t feel the old guy has the moxie to pull it off should there be a need and they should switch seats.

With that the old guy responds something to the lines… Look here you little ____ I am very capable of performing what is required and will be able to do it while I smack the ____ out of you while doing it. Now sit your ____ down before I knock you into the middle of next week…”

The flight attendant rapports with… “works for me.”

Yes there was applause and the old guy got a few free drinks…
 
Acrodustertoo said:
These idiots throwing hissy fits on airliners most likely didn't have a parent or parents who gave a cramp and wanted their kids to be their best friends, or had them drinking Mountain Dew from a baby bottle when they were 18 months.
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Or they had parents who threw hissy fits. Hissy fits are not just a behavior of the young.
 
Everskyward said:
Or they had parents who threw hissy fits. Hissy fits are not just a behavior of the young.
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I can vouch for that. Seen it all from kids to seniors, and everything between. Even those that are professionals such as Drs and attorneys etc.
 
Everskyward said:
Or they had parents who threw hissy fits. Hissy fits are not just a behavior of the young.
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I am looking forward to my elderly years when I can drive like a clown and throw a fit at the checkout line, restaurant when they font give me my discount and many more wonderful opportunities!
 
PaulS said:
I think we need a safe space and a time out space on these airliners.
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Great idea! Out a couple of seats with extra restraints down in the cargo hold next to the pet cages.

"Four more seats downstairs! Who wants the next one? They come with a free ride away from the airport, in a special black-and-white car!"
 
ifly4fun said:
Says every generation before it...
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Absolutely.
We Boomers think we are pretty special too. The difference is we deserve it.
Right. :D ;)
 
I think it's a mistake to blame our circumstances for lack of civility. Civility comes from within, not from our circumstances.
 
When I was a young lad, you were taught to behave in public, that you represented not judge yourself but your family as well. You were taught to respect your elders and the people around you. Eat with silverware not with your paws, don't burp or fart at the table, put your napkin in your lap, elbows off the table, take your hat off she you enter a door, hold the door for people, please and thank you, look a person in the eyes etc etc etc. these things seem to be fading away.
When you are locked in a tube with a hundred other people, you have a duty to due your part.
 
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