Air Force One in MVY?

Airforce One is ANY plane the president is riding in.... It could be the 747 or a Super cub if he is brave enough to ride in one. Usually they put him in a G-5 for smaller airports. YMMV.
 
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I doubt the runway can support the weight of the VC-25A (which I presume you meant by "AF1").
 
N801BH said:
Airforce One is ANY plane the president is riding in.... It could be the 474 or a Super cub if he is brave enough to ride in one. Usually they put him in a G-5 for smaller airports. YMMV.
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I know that, but since the media is simply referring to it as Air Force One, and not noting that it is a G-5, that it is still a 747?
 
And from further reading, I see that he took the 747 to Cape Cod Coast Guard Air Station, then Marine One helicopters from there.
 
As Ben pointed out, if the President came into Martha's Vineyard in a fixed wing plane, the answer is "Yes, Air Force One landed there", even if the plane he was in was my 310. The call sign follows the President. When the President is not on board, they refer to their tail number. When he is on a Helicopter, it's Marine One. The caveat to all that is that often more than one AF1 or Marine1 is aloft at a time for security/decoy reasons. Some international trips will have two complete floatillas of aircraft going at astronomical hourly fuel costs. Security in this country is a huge racket as well. We get very little reurn on a huge amount of security expense. That is where I propose we start budget cuts. It's ridiculous. Every addition dime we have spent since 9/11 has been a complete waste. Procedure and Rule wise, even public awareness wise, what we had in place generated all the information from the flight instructors that if acted upon when received could have prevented 9/11.
 
The 747 AF1 landed at CGAS CAPE COD; most definitely not OTIS AFB since the Air Force transferred ownership to the Coast Guard several years ago. While the Air Force does still have a presence, they no longer have any jets there. The F15s were shipped out before the transfer.
 
The C-32 (757-200) is also used and can operate on as little as 5000'


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N801BH said:
Airforce One is ANY plane the president is riding in....
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Henning said:
As Ben pointed out, if the President came into Martha's Vineyard in a fixed wing plane, the answer is "Yes, Air Force One landed there", even if the plane he was in was my 310. The call sign follows the President.
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This may be obvious, but the plane the President is on, is not Air Force One unless the plane belongs to the Air Force. Hence Marine 1 for that ride. Now if the President were indeed taking a ride in Henning's 310, the call sign would be Executive One.

-Skip
 
N801BH said:
Airforce One is ANY plane the president is riding in.... It could be the 474 or a Super cub if he is brave enough to ride in one. Usually they put him in a G-5 for smaller airports. YMMV.
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Not any plane, Air Force One is any USAF aircraft the president is aboard. If he's aboard a USMC aircraft the callsign is Marine One, if a Navy aircraft it's Navy One. If he's aboard a civil aircraft the callsign is Executive One.
 
Henning said:
As Ben pointed out, if the President came into Martha's Vineyard in a fixed wing plane, the answer is "Yes, Air Force One landed there", even if the plane he was in was my 310. The call sign follows the President. When the President is not on board, they refer to their tail number. When he is on a Helicopter, it's Marine One. The caveat to all that is that often more than one AF1 or Marine1 is aloft at a time for security/decoy reasons. Some international trips will have two complete floatillas of aircraft going at astronomical hourly fuel costs. Security in this country is a huge racket as well. We get very little reurn on a huge amount of security expense. That is where I propose we start budget cuts. It's ridiculous. Every addition dime we have spent since 9/11 has been a complete waste. Procedure and Rule wise, even public awareness wise, what we had in place generated all the information from the flight instructors that if acted upon when received could have prevented 9/11.
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No. If the President came into Martha's Vineyard in a USAF aircraft, fixed wing or rotary, the answer is, "Yes, Air Force One landed there". If the plane he was in was your 310 the callsign would be Executive One. When the president is on a USMC aircraft, helicopter or fixed wing, the callsign is Marine One.
 
Henning said:
As Ben pointed out, if the President came into Martha's Vineyard in a fixed wing plane, the answer is "Yes, Air Force One landed there", even if the plane he was in was my 310. The call sign follows the President.
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The call-sign has nothing to do with the type of plane. If he came on an USAF helicopter it is still AF1. If he came on an Army or Coast Guard fixed wing it would be Army 1 or Coast Guard 1.


Henning said:
When the President is not on board, they refer to their tail number. When he is on a Helicopter, it's Marine One.
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Only will it be Marine 1 when he is on an aircraft operated by the USMC. He could have arrived on an Osprey or a F18 and if the Marines were flying it was Marine 1. That it is a helicopter matters not.

If the aircraft is a civilian operated aircraft it is also indeed Executive 1, but can be called that even when the military is operating it under special circumstances.
 
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Skip Miller said:
This may be obvious, but the plane the President is on, is not Air Force One unless the plane belongs to the Air Force. Hence Marine 1 for that ride. Now if the President were indeed taking a ride in Henning's 310, the call sign would be Executive One.

-Skip
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That's right, Executive One.... I wonder when the last time that call sign was used... Did they use it flying Roosevelt to Africa?
 
roncachamp said:
Hint: Inbound to or outbound from where?
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I'm just not sure on where the transfer of all the honorifics happens. There seems to be some overlap that goes both sides of the inauguration. Example, you're "Mr President" for life.
So Bush had to ride an airliner home? Don't they take you for your ride home in AF1? IIRC there were some oddities in call signs for both Kennedy's and Nixon's last rides onboard AF1 where they landed on their tail numbers or something.
 
Henning said:
Inauguration day was it? Would that be for the inbound or outbound President?
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The outbound

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-20/...dent-george-w-bush-bush-family?_s=PM:POLITICS

The Bushes flew to Midland from Washington on Tuesday after inaugural ceremonies for President Obama.
"A good man took the oath of office today, and we offer him our prayers for success," he said.
The Bushes boarded a helicopter in front of the Capitol bound for Andrews Air Force Base shortly before 1 p.m.
Obama and first lady Michelle Obama walked the Bushes to the helicopter -- known as Marine One when the president is on board but called "Executive One" for this flight -- and bid them farewell with handshakes and hugs.
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Henning said:
I'm just not sure on where the transfer of all the honorifics happens. There seems to be some overlap that goes both sides of the inauguration. Example, you're "Mr President" for life.
So Bush had to ride an airliner home? Don't they take you for your ride home in AF1? IIRC there were some oddities in call signs for both Kennedy's and Nixon's last rides onboard AF1 where they landed on their tail numbers or something.
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The honorific goes to the current President. Nixon announced his resignation on the evening of August 8th, 1974, "effective at noon tomorrow". Nixon departed Andrews AFB on the morning of August 9th aboard a VC-137C, callsign Air Force One. At noon EDT the callsign became SAM27000.
 
roncachamp said:
The honorific goes to the current President. Nixon announced his resignation on the evening of August 8th, 1974, "effective at noon tomorrow". Nixon departed Andrews AFB on the morning of August 9th aboard a VC-137C, callsign Air Force One. At noon EDT the callsign became SAM27000.
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But why did it get called "Executive One" as Bush was going home? He was no longer President.
 
Henning said:
But why did it get called "Executive One" as Bush was going home? He was no longer President.
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I don't know. If it was, it shouldn't have. The callsign "Executive One" is to be used when the President is aboard a civil aircraft.
 
roncachamp said:
I don't know. If it was, it shouldn't have. The callsign "Executive One" is to be used when the President is aboard a civil aircraft.
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Exactly, so why would the call sign be used? Maybe there is a time delay between the swearing in and the actual assumption of title, like Midnight or whatever?:dunno: Still wouldn't explain it being Executive one unless Bush was going home on a private jet or airliner. If he's getting a ride from the White House stable it would still be AF1 wouldn't it?
 
Henning..... Quit making sense and asking logical questions.... After all the US guvmint that does this stuff just makes the rules up as they go to cover their a$$es... I mean.. they do have us 15 trillion in debt and a negative 100 trillion in future obligations.. Whats a little mis title to a flight?:dunno::dunno:.:D:D:D


Ben.
 
Henning said:
Exactly, so why would the call sign be used? Maybe there is a time delay between the swearing in and the actual assumption of title, like Midnight or whatever?:dunno: Still wouldn't explain it being Executive one unless Bush was going home on a private jet or airliner. If he's getting a ride from the White House stable it would still be AF1 wouldn't it?
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It's possible the reporter screwed up.
 
roncachamp said:
It's possible the reporter screwed up.
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I've pretty much come to the same conclussion. I'm guessing when Nixon flew home on the airliner during the crunch, I think in 73, that's the last time I can think of that the Pres rode civilian.
 
N801BH said:
Henning..... Quit making sense and asking logical questions.... After all the US guvmint that does this stuff just makes the rules up as they go to cover their a$$es... I mean.. they do have us 15 trillion in debt and a negative 100 trillion in future obligations.. Whats a little mis title to a flight?:dunno::dunno:.:D:D:D


Ben.
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No no... this is a matter of Protocol, uh uh, they wouldn't do it. I agree with Steve, I think the reporting is factually incorrect. I think they were given a rundown on the different protocols and got confused.... When Bush got a ride home, the plane went to its tail number, not Exec1.
 
Henning said:
I'm just not sure on where the transfer of all the honorifics happens. There seems to be some overlap that goes both sides of the inauguration. Example, you're "Mr President" for life.
So Bush had to ride an airliner home? Don't they take you for your ride home in AF1? IIRC there were some oddities in call signs for both Kennedy's and Nixon's last rides onboard AF1 where they landed on their tail numbers or something.
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Not kennedy, because when he died, Johnson became acting president.

Nixon was in the air when his resignation became effective and Ford took the oath of office, the airplane changed from Air Force One to Air Force 25000 (tail number) if I remember correctly.

Other Presidents have already left office when they board the plane, so they use the tail number from the start of the flight.

Also, when they flew Kennedy's body home, Johnson was on board and had already been sworn in, so it was Air Force One because Johnson was on board, not Kennedy's body.


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PilotAlan said:
Not kennedy, because when he died, Johnson became acting president.

Nixon was in the air when his resignation became effective and Ford took the oath of office, the airplane changed from Air Force One to Air Force 25000 (tail number) if I remember correctly.

Other Presidents have already left office when they board the plane, so they use the tail number from the start of the flight.

Also, when they flew Kennedy's body home, Johnson was on board and had already been sworn in, so it was Air Force One because Johnson was on board, not Kennedy's body.
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Right, but the plane flies on its tail number, not the Exec 1 call sign.
 
Henning said:
I've pretty much come to the same conclussion. I'm guessing when Nixon flew home on the airliner during the crunch, I think in 73, that's the last time I can think of that the Pres rode civilian.
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I have no idea why the Executive 1 callsign was used. As was pointed out it was used improperly. But it was used as it was the White House press secretary that made the announcement. It could be he screwed up, but the reporter is off the hook on that one.

Nixon was the last president that I know of to fly commercial. It actually did not save any fuel because he flew commercial to the west coast and then had AF1 come get him. So it ended up flying out there anyways.
 
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