Admit It... They Got Stupid, They Got Killed

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n3089n said:
It's not a docile plane.
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And why is that? Fixed gear trike with a single lever to control engine power and a wing designed to give ample stall warning and control authority in the stall.
 
Obi Heed Kenobi said:
I'm not sure what you're talking about, because as I've just explained, it's not really a suggestion for anything at all, because the system is already in place to address the issue of fixing the problem sued upon (i.e., fix your products, or face more lawsuits).
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...and when you fix the problem, you get sued more from folks who claim that's an admission of fault. You can't win. Only the lawyers and the occasional lucky legal lottery winner win.

If you want to reform the legal system, start with a loser-pays system, as has already been suggested.
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That would certainly be the right answer, but excessive punitive damages awards don't help matters. They just help to drive the lawsuit lottery mentality.
 
Obi Heed Kenobi said:
If you want to reform the legal system, start with a loser-pays system, as has already been suggested.
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Never will happen in the US. With a large majority of politicians being lawyers and the over abundance of lawyers in the US coupled with the lobby efforts of the various Bar associations and Trail Lawyers associations there is just too much money at stake. Loser-pays would dramatically reduce the number of lawsuit filings and potentially put alot of attorney's out of business.
 
n3089n said:
I would not choose this mishap as the best case in point, but Cirrus does in fact target market the SR20 to student and new pilots.
http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/n3089n/CIMG3187.jpg
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Yeah, we get it, they market to students.

I say, GOOD!!! Somebody's gotta do it! Cirrus has done more to reach out to potential new pilots than any other company in the last 10 years.

It's not a docile plane.
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It's not a handful either. And I still haven't seen anyone even attempt to come up with valid reasons why it's not OK to train in an SR20. :dunno:
 
jmaynard said:
...and when you fix the problem, you get sued more from folks who claim that's an admission of fault. You can't win. Only the lawyers and the occasional lucky legal lottery winner win.
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No, you actually don't. First, in order to sue, you actually have to suffer an injury. Second, evidence of efforts to correct a problem are not admissible, absent certain circumstances that are almost unheard of.

That would certainly be the right answer, but excessive punitive damages awards don't help matters. They just help to drive the lawsuit lottery mentality.
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Considering that punitive damages aren't available in the great majority of lawsuits, no matter what the situation, that's simply untrue.
 
Rotor&Wing said:
Never will happen in the US. With a large majority of politicians being lawyers and the over abundance of lawyers in the US coupled with the lobby efforts of the various Bar associations and Trail Lawyers associations there is just too much money at stake. Loser-pays would dramatically reduce the number of lawsuit filings and potentially put alot of attorney's out of business.
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While I tend to agree with you, if I'm ever in the position where I can help enact the policy, I will.
 
n3089n said:
Now honestly, I'd have to refresh my memory, but if it serves me correctly, both Cory and his instructor were "wet behind the ears" pilots, not having a clue of the danger we Monday morning quarterback see.

I would not choose this mishap as the best case in point, but Cirrus does in fact target market the SR20 to student and new pilots.
http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/n3089n/CIMG3187.jpg

It's not a docile plane.
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Huh. We can teach people to fly in R-22s but a Cirrus is to much airplane. C'mon don't hate them for being beautiful. :drama:
 
n3089n said:
It's not a docile plane.
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So, we should all learn to drive in Lincoln Continentals?
Where our control inputs bear only a slight resemblance to the actual vehicle response?
Where our failure to perform will be ameliorated by an oversized, overweight, tank of a vehicle?

Bah!
Let's bring back the original, 1969 AA1 Yankee - this time, as the de facto primary trainer!
 
jesse said:
Uh. I don't get it. That advertisement seems accurate to me. It is fixed gear..it is easy to fly..it is a trainer...
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Kinda reminds me of one of the Fly Baby T-Shirts:

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Ron Wanttaja
 
jmaynard said:
...and when you fix the problem, you get sued more from folks who claim that's an admission of fault. You can't win. Only the lawyers and the occasional lucky legal lottery winner win..
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Actually subequent repair is inadmissable evidence of a defect as the Courts want to encourage manufacturers to repair defects and they realize that by letting evidince of subsequent repair into the mix they are discouraging the manufacturers from fixing bad products


jmaynard said:
That would certainly be the right answer, but excessive punitive damages awards don't help matters. They just help to drive the lawsuit lottery mentality.
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eh Punitives are not all that easy to get and most negligence cases do not appropriate for punitives. The thing is when punatives are appropriate they are meant to hurt so they are often big to send a message so while infrequent they get lots of press just like a GA accident.
 
Cirrus is a fine plane. Part of teaching people how to fly should include a little education as to the cost of replacing it. They (airplanes) aren't cheap. You can teach a 16 year old to drive but you can't teach them responsibility nor impress upon them the value of a dollar. That all comes with age assuming they live that long.
We all need to stretch our wings whether it's upgrading from a C150 to a C172, or a Piper 160 to a Piper 260 or a Yugo to a Corvette. It will come eventually and (we hope) with the right training. And isn't that what it is all about? Growing. Stretching. Getting better. Learning.
As to Cory Lidle and the CFI, it's truly a shame it happened but they are called accidents. Otherwise, we'd call them deliberates. How many of us have had close calls flying, driving, or walking. Just because it happened, don't go blaming the plane.
 
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